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    To me a LAMP is a device used for lighting that is not permanently wired- cord and plug connected.
    A FIXTURE is wired directly and usually affixed to the wall or ceiling.

    As was said, many fixtures are wired with lamp cord, particularly hanging fixtures where lamp cord is woven down through the chain. The use of lamp cord in itself is not reason for the denial of a UL listing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    Even if it needed rewiring for whatever reason and presuming this isn't an extremely huge chandelier- $800??
    A moderately sized chandelier could have 25 or more sockets, not to mention all kinds of dangly, fragile pieces that need to be removed and reinstalled after rewiring

    My thought though is that the electrician she asked didn't really want to do the work so he shot her a high price hoping she would go away.
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    We had a customer that bought an antique fixture, chandelier, and had it hung in her old house. She then had us come in with a new service equipment that required about 20' of extension for each branch circuit. It was several thousand dollars of chasing mixed neutrals and horrible wiring later that we got the AFCIs to hold, with the exception of her chandelier. My guesstimate was over $400 to repair that fixture. She found someone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hbiss View Post
    To me a LAMP is a device used for lighting that is not permanently wired- cord and plug connected.
    A FIXTURE is wired directly and usually affixed to the wall or ceiling.

    As was said, many fixtures are wired with lamp cord, particularly hanging fixtures where lamp cord is woven down through the chain. The use of lamp cord in itself is not reason for the denial of a UL listing.

    -Hal
    To me a lamp is the device that emits light, a fixture is where the lamp connects to receive power.
    Fixed or portable fixture.
    A chandelier could have "100dreds" of crystals, so rewiring could cost greatly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sameguy View Post
    To me a lamp is the device that emits light, a fixture is where the lamp connects to receive power.
    Fixed or portable fixture.
    A chandelier could have "100dreds" of crystals, so rewiring could cost greatly.
    NEC terminology the lamp is the part that contains the light source. The complete assembly of lamp, diffusers, reflectors, refractors, associated supporting components, etc. is a "luminaire", though NEC once called it a fixture.
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    Each electrical contractor is an independent businessperson free to charge whatever price they like. The consumer can accept or reject the price. Perhaps this EC has a niche market in antique lamps and frequently gets people to pay $800 for his lamp rewiring and hanging services. I think most of us would also charge $800 if we knew we could sell those jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppersmith View Post
    Each electrical contractor is an independent businessperson free to charge whatever price they like. The consumer can accept or reject the price. Perhaps this EC has a niche market in antique lamps and frequently gets people to pay $800 for his lamp rewiring and hanging services. I think most of us would also charge $800 if we knew we could sell those jobs.
    Or he just doesn't want to do it unless it is for $800. I can't ever seem to get to the point where I can take that kind of approach, if anything I just tell them I don't have time to do a job if it is something I really don't want to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by texie View Post
    Good point. Now I'm confused, is it a lamp or a fixture? The wordings seems imply both.
    Sorry fixture
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppersmith View Post
    Each electrical contractor is an independent businessperson free to charge whatever price they like. The consumer can accept or reject the price. Perhaps this EC has a niche market in antique lamps and frequently gets people to pay $800 for his lamp rewiring and hanging services. I think most of us would also charge $800 if we knew we could sell those jobs.
    He could charge what ever he likes, but the point is the fixture didn't require a rewire.
    I can build anything you want if you draw a picture of it on the back of a big enough check.

    There's no substitute for hard work....but that doesn't mean I'm going to give up trying to find one.

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