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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierrasparky View Post
    Understand, This is less than half though.
    Look at the no show rate in Texas! that is a lot of wasted money.

    I think what this tells me is that in the future we can expect more consequences with regards to competency.
    Not much of what is on the tests probably directly pertains to most electricians daily.

    I wonder how many guys that passed the test 5 years ago could pass it today.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petersonra View Post
    Not much of what is on the tests probably directly pertains to most electricians daily.

    I wonder how many guys that passed the test 5 years ago could pass it today.
    Why would you say that?
    Heck it's a open book test 100 questions for General Journeyman
    80 questions for Residential .

    Oh by the way as far as your question to time limit. I had heard that you could only be an trainee for so many consecutive years. I can't seem to find that today.

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    at the risk of sounding like a grumpier old man than i usually do,
    the numbers don't surprise me.

    many of the "electricians" on jobs i visit do not have that state
    certification. honestly? less than half.

    so, the results aren't as good as that sunny, optimistic summary
    indicates.

    this week, i was supposed to go hang some lights, and fix some
    pole lights. the customer got in a rush, and got two electricians
    to come do it instead.

    those same electricians tied four #6 THHN onto a 112 kva xfmr
    as secondaries, and ran them 225' to feed a 2,500 sq ft office.
    lighting, power, and hvac.

    the primaries were tied onto the main lugs of a 225 amp 480 panel
    with the feeders. also #6.

    no OCPD besides the 225 amp main. no X0 ground. secondary in pvc.
    no ground there, either.

    journeymans license? sure, wilbur. it's right here, somewhere.

    i'm just happy i didn't have to bring it up to code. customer would
    have spazzed out. i wasn't there, not my problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fulthrotl View Post
    at the risk of sounding like a grumpier old man than i usually do,
    the numbers don't surprise me.

    many of the "electricians" on jobs i visit do not have that state
    certification. honestly? less than half.

    so, the results aren't as good as that sunny, optimistic summary
    indicates.

    this week, i was supposed to go hang some lights, and fix some
    pole lights. the customer got in a rush, and got two electricians
    to come do it instead.

    those same electricians tied four #6 THHN onto a 112 kva xfmr
    as secondaries, and ran them 225' to feed a 2,500 sq ft office.
    lighting, power, and hvac.

    the primaries were tied onto the main lugs of a 225 amp 480 panel
    with the feeders. also #6.

    no OCPD besides the 225 amp main. no X0 ground. secondary in pvc.
    no ground there, either.

    journeymans license? sure, wilbur. it's right here, somewhere.

    i'm just happy i didn't have to bring it up to code. customer would
    have spazzed out. i wasn't there, not my problem.
    #6 for real.

    How long do you give till they melt spectacularly?

    I am sure they can't see from their house.

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    WA has a first time pass rate of 55% for journeylevel for those who are not in an apprenticeship, apprenticeship is about 80%
    Residential is around 22%, I attribute this to they are working with no on the job training, and take the test with out any prep - even though they are getting (only) 24 hours a year of in classroom training. for the residential, they don't understand they are tested on their scope of work, not what they typically do on the job
    In 2023 all journeylevel electricians will have to be in an apprenticeship to take the state electrical test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tom baker View Post
    WA has a first time pass rate of 55% for journeylevel for those who are not in an apprenticeship, apprenticeship is about 80%
    Residential is around 22%, I attribute this to they are working with no on the job training, and take the test with out any prep - even though they are getting (only) 24 hours a year of in classroom training. for the residential, they don't understand they are tested on their scope of work, not what they typically do on the job
    In 2023 all journeylevel electricians will have to be in an apprenticeship to take the state electrical test.
    That is awesome compared to CA.
    I agree with you as to the Residential. I wonder if there is lack of training from their employer or supervisors. It's probably " GET THE JOB DONE, WHY is it taking you so long" ........

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    Most employers do not require there employees to know the why's of what they are doing, maybe the foreman has a clue, but most electricians are not required to use the code book on the job. CA's test, and most I have taken (most western states) are code look up tests. They do not require you to do many complicated calc's (except OR and WA). Some questions are referencing obscure code that I would never need. A lot of the younger 20-30's can do the work, bend pipe, pull wire, etc., but are intimated by testing because they aren't in the code book at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solis View Post
    Most employers do not require there employees to know the why's of what they are doing, maybe the foreman has a clue, but most electricians are not required to use the code book on the job. CA's test, and most I have taken (most western states) are code look up tests. They do not require you to do many complicated calc's (except OR and WA). Some questions are referencing obscure code that I would never need. A lot of the younger 20-30's can do the work, bend pipe, pull wire, etc., but are intimated by testing because they aren't in the code book at all.
    Ok that is apparent, Then why take the exam then? The second pass rates are not that impressive either.

    That is why some of these workers can't troubleshoot. Why they can only do the bare basics. There is no applied knowledge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierrasparky View Post
    I came across this last night while on the CA department of Idustrial relations website. The DIR handles all testing for Electrical workers in each level of certificates.
    The tests are open book.
    I don't know but the results seem low.
    Well the low voltage guys are doing the best.
    What is a fire life safety tech is there an apprenticeship for that ?
    And wow state licensed lighting techs. I have never seen that before...

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