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    California - Electrician testing results for 2017

    I came across this last night while on the CA department of Idustrial relations website. The DIR handles all testing for Electrical workers in each level of certificates.
    The tests are open book.
    I don't know but the results seem low.
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    I am not real surprised at the low pass rate. Lots of people take these tests who are completely unprepared and then try it again and fail again because they are completely unprepared the second time as well.
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    This is after at least 8000 hours for a General Journeyman and 4800 for a Residential electrician.
    Do you really think that is lack of being prepared or lack of knowledge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierrasparky View Post
    This is after at least 8000 hours for a General Journeyman and 4800 for a Residential electrician.
    Do you really think that is lack of being prepared or lack of knowledge?
    I think there is a huge difference between being able to do the work and being able to pass the test.

    I suspect I could pass the test without too much trouble. I am also pretty sure I could not efficiently do the work.

    People on the whole are pretty lazy. Rather than study for the test they might just decide to give it a shot and see what happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petersonra View Post
    I think there is a huge difference between being able to do the work and being able to pass the test.

    I suspect I could pass the test without too much trouble. I am also pretty sure I could not efficiently do the work.

    People on the whole are pretty lazy. Rather than study for the test they might just decide to give it a shot and see what happens.
    I've been working with various level of electrical workers for almost 30 years and I know some are lazy. Many were darn good, some I wished I was able to keep on payroll during the recession as they both have their own licenses now. Both passed the first time. I never worked with someone that could not be tested on what was learned that day on the job.

    I have no clue as to what goes on beyond my small circle.

    An apprentice must move up or leave the trade. There is a time limit on being an apprentice.

    I'd be concerned as a employer about the apparent low pass rate as this is a sample of their future employees or lack there of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierrasparky View Post
    I've been working with various level of electrical workers for almost 30 years and I know some are lazy. Many were darn good, some I wished I was able to keep on payroll during the recession as they both have their own licenses now. Both passed the first time. I never worked with someone that could not be tested on what was learned that day on the job.

    I have no clue as to what goes on beyond my small circle.

    An apprentice must move up or leave the trade. There is a time limit on being an apprentice.

    I'd be concerned as a employer about the apparent low pass rate as this is a sample of their future employees or lack there of.
    Why is there a time limit on being an apprentice?

    Look at it this way from the employee's perspective. Unless there is some real benefit to the employee why should he spend the money on the test review materials and the many hours of studying on his own time?

    It could also be that a reflection of the generally bad state of the public schools in CA. Written tests are very hard for people who are barely literate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sierrasparky View Post
    I came across this last night while on the CA department of Idustrial relations website. The DIR handles all testing for Electrical workers in each level of certificates.
    The tests are open book.
    I don't know but the results seem low.
    Sad commentary on the level of training and the quality of people entering our trade. While not many states post stats these publicly, here are Texas scores: https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/electrici...mStats2017.htm
    In my job I am privy to a number of states stats on exam scores and I can tell you that Texas and California are fairly indicative of the industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by texie View Post
    Sad commentary on the level of training and the quality of people entering our trade. While not many states post stats these publicly, here are Texas scores: https://www.tdlr.texas.gov/electrici...mStats2017.htm
    In my job I am privy to a number of states stats on exam scores and I can tell you that Texas and California are fairly indicative of the industry.
    I read once that about half of CNAs fail either the written or skills exam the first time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by petersonra View Post
    I read once that about half of CNAs fail either the written or skills exam the first time.
    Sadly, this is not unique to just our trade. This is a societal problem.
    Oh, I should mentioned earlier that Texas stats used to be much worse. What did they do to improve you ask? Easy, just lower the passing score from 75 to 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petersonra View Post
    I read once that about half of CNAs fail either the written or skills exam the first time.

    Understand, This is less than half though.
    Look at the no show rate in Texas! that is a lot of wasted money.

    I think what this tells me is that in the future we can expect more consequences with regards to competency.

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