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    Rob, are you sure the cord doesn't have high temp conductors?
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    Quote Originally Posted by romex jockey View Post
    It looks like someone was trying for a 422.16B3, but may have not paid attention to the last paragraph.....



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    Quote Originally Posted by George Stolz View Post
    Approved is a low bar. How hot is it in there?

    Hot enough for the cmp to add the last paragraph.
    They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
    She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
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    It looks formidable but means nothing. It makes enforcement arbitrary.

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    422.31 (b) would require a disconnecting means be either within site or lockable

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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity View Post
    The prints call for a 1 phase, 208 volt, 30 amp circuit with a 4-wire receptacle behind the unit. Someone else is buying the ovens and they're being delivered as pictured with cord and plug which IMO is not permitted because of the temperature rating of the cord conductors and the listing instructions.
    It looks to me like the cord is 10/4 SO cord. I've been trying to look up the amperage and temperature rating. Some of the specs say the amperage rating is 25 amps. Some say the temperature rating is -40 to 194 degrees F. Not sure I'm looking in the right place :

    https://www.amazon.com/TEMCo-SOOW-SO...ywords=so+cord

    Aside from the appearance that it looks like someone removed the metal flex whip and installed this cord and plug, would this cord withstand the temperature that might be present behind this oven ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldstar View Post
    It looks to me like the cord is 10/4 SO cord. I've been trying to look up the amperage and temperature rating. Some of the specs say the amperage rating is 25 amps. Some say the temperature rating is -40 to 194 degrees F. Not sure I'm looking in the right place :

    https://www.amazon.com/TEMCo-SOOW-SO...ywords=so+cord

    Aside from the appearance that it looks like someone removed the metal flex whip and installed this cord and plug, would this cord withstand the temperature that might be present behind this oven ?
    These ovens are being supplied by a big appliance chain so I'm guessing that they're removing the whip and installing a cord and plug. As someone pointed out earlier in this thread it appears that Bosch has not approved these ovens for cord and plug connection and they can only be used with the factory whip.

    I will look again tomorrow but I think that this is the cord.

    https://www.pcrichard.com/Smart-Choi...304492442.pcrp
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    So, your thinking is that the appliance store is installing these cord sets and converting the units to "plug and play" so that their employees/drivers can install the unit themselves ? Interesting concept. Unless it's factory authorized, I wonder whoever thought of this tactic realized that they may have voided the listing on the unit. They must have had numerous situations where people claimed that the unit(s) didn't work or were defective after an electrician installed it. This is a way for them to verify that the unit worked before the driver left.

    Now comes the question of where to locate the receptacle (obviously nothing the appliance company cares about as long as they can plug the unit in).

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldstar View Post
    So, your thinking is that the appliance store is installing these cord sets and converting the units to "plug and play" so that their employees/drivers can install the unit themselves ? Interesting concept. Unless it's factory authorized, I wonder whoever thought of this tactic realized that they may have voided the listing on the unit. They must have had numerous situations where people claimed that the unit(s) didn't work or were defective after an electrician installed it. This is a way for them to verify that the unit worked before the driver left.

    Now comes the question of where to locate the receptacle (obviously nothing the appliance company cares about as long as they can plug the unit in).
    The electrical plans show the 30 amp receptacle behind the unit. Right or wrong at some point the designer decided to set the kitchens up for cord and plug ovens. The electrical contractor is handling the units from the loading dock to installation in the apartment but they are not buying them.
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