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    Receptacles for RV's

    2017 NEC Does 210.8(B)(4) include receptacles for RV's? 551.71(F) requires GFCI protection for RV parks for 125 volt single phase 15 and 20 amp receptacles. Would an RV park be considered a non dwelling unit? What if the receptacle for an RV isn't in a RV park such as in a field with power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NTesla76 View Post
    2017 NEC Does 210.8(B)(4) include receptacles for RV's? 551.71(F) requires GFCI protection for RV parks for 125 volt single phase 15 and 20 amp receptacles. Would an RV park be considered a non dwelling unit? What if the receptacle for an RV isn't in a RV park such as in a field with power?
    I have brought up same topic, nobody really knows.

    Quite a few say GFCI not required because 551 doesn't mention it, but I think that 210.8 requires it unless 551 would otherwise say it isn't required.

    I question why they expanded some of the 210.8 requirements but that is a different story then complying with what it says.
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    50A, 30A, 20A

    Typical commercial RV pedestals include 50A 240V, 30A 120V and 20A 120V GFCI receptacles. Because it is outdoors and you cannot control the use, GFCI would be required.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beanland View Post
    Typical commercial RV pedestals include 50A 240V, 30A 120V and 20A 120V GFCI receptacles. Because it is outdoors and you cannot control the use, GFCI would be required.
    I've done a lot of RVing and have never seen a GFCI 30 or 50 amp breaker in those pedestals.

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    Comma?

    LOL, the commas got me. The GFCI only applies to the last item in the lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coppersmith View Post
    I've done a lot of RVing and have never seen a GFCI 30 or 50 amp breaker in those pedestals.
    And they weren't required before 2017 NEC but at same time is not so clear if 2017 intends them to be GFCI protected or not.

    I still think the general rule in 210.8 as written means you must.

    Some think because the 15/20 amp receptacle is mentioned in 551 but the 30 and 50 amp recptacles are not mentioned in 551 that the 30 and 50 don't require GFCI. Nothing changed in 551 though, and might be an oversight by NEC CMP's is my thoughts on it.

    That said and from what I have found, the only justification for adding some of the GFCI requirements they did add was nothing more then "they now have products out there that meet the listing requirements", but no real justification that there is or has been higher risk of shock/electrocutions for the areas they have added to the list.
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    I'm in agreement with Kwired. I think according to 210.8, you need GFCI protection as well. But it is an interesting conversation between the two code sections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beanland View Post
    Because it is outdoors and you cannot control the use, GFCI would be required.
    Not true.


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    Before 2017 551 required GFCI on the 15/20 amp 120 volt receptacle - but IMO was redundant because 210.8 would have required GFCI anyhow. Now that they added the 30 and 50 amp receptacle to 210.8, I still see it redundant to mention anything in 551, unless it would happen to relieve the general rule in 210.8.

    I don't necessarily think GFCI should be required for the 30 or the 50 amp receptacle at an RV location, but I do interpret 2017 NEC to require it.
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    I’ll be working on another campground expansion this year, I guess we’ll see what the manufacturer sends us. One would think that the product would be compliant (or see how they interpret it) whether that means gfi or not.

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