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    another AFCI nuisance trip question

    usually DONT have issues anymore but this time a house is tripping about five times a day. it has a chinese light fixture with an led on it in a closet and we replaced ALL the 8 ballasts to quick starts in the garage on this ckt for led replacement lamps. BY THE WAY BOX STORE FLOURESCENT FIXTURE BALLASTS ARE ABSOLUTE JUNK, QUIT BUYING THEM! had all 8 go out in one week in this place. Have to get them at a supply house to get the commercial ballast. but i digress.

    i think these 8 flouro ballasts with the led direct replacement lamps (the kind you DONT rewire the ends to) are the cause of the nuisance tripping. or maybe the one light in the closet or for all i know, might be a staple in the wall somewhere instead. beats me just wondering if anybody has had afci issues with these direct replacement leds before. i didnt wire this place, but garage lights are on same ckt as bedroom where this afci recept is located. whole house is fed from a sub panel if that makes any diff, i dont have any issues with any of the other 4 afci leviton outlets i have used.

    i have had all these garage lights on all day last time i was there now something, i dont know cause i havent been back, is causing this bs. i'm an hours drive from this place too. customer is a lawyer, so contractor does not want any fire issues. not like it matters.

    thanks
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    FWIW, the problems we now find do not seem to be nuisance trips. PITR, Yes. Try the switches. Try thermal switch on coffee maker. Check the AFCI for trip code. Doesn't have that option? Update it. Are they QOs? Get the newest version. Old house? Brand new?

    Have the customer keep track of exactly what they are doing at time of trip, write it down and tell them to not reset the breaker. We have a 90 year old customer that narrowed it down to a certain switch. If she can take the time so can others. Is it going to cost you? Yes. Have fun.
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    owners arent there right now. dont think there are any call outs on the recepts. i could be wrong but doubt it. (im not:https://www.leviton.com/sites/REST/c...R1-W&locale=en) no afci breakers. its just a bedroom and the garage but not the garage outlets, just lights. and there is a fart fan in the laundry too.

    i'll have to see if i can get contractor to try to find something that trips it. its about a 20 year old house by the ocean. its being painted so i'm not setting foot in there till the fumes disappear sometime next week. owners wanted all recepts changed. i just love these jobs.....NOT!

    oh jeez, i just read on the pdf i attached the leviton afci is made in china. job one: shotgun it outta there. LORD i HATE mixing leviton and eaton gfi's or afci's!!!!
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    Best thing you can do is stick to one AFCI, preferably panel type and go from there. New versions are far less likely to nuisance trip than old ones. In fact if these are more than an year old I would seriously think about replacing them.
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    there are two other outlets in the bedroom before it heads back out to the garage. i 'm going to swap all of them out for afci recepts with NO feed thru on them. then the lights, fan, etc in the areas that afci is not required will not be protected. i think the garage lights or laundry is causing it so that way all the bedroom outlets are protected but none of the house wiring. kinda defeats the purpose, but i'm not going to baby sit this stinking nob job that's an hours drive north when i'm going to get burned on travel time anyway.
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    its about a 20 year old house...
    So why the hell are you screwing with AFCIs???

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    pulled a permit. did the whole house recept swap
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    That will teach you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hbiss View Post
    That will teach you.

    -Hal
    The hard way, unfortunately. Although maybe, possibly, ehh, probably not, If you tell the inspector there's one problem circuit he might let you go with a regular breaker.

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    Have had issues in the past with inductive kick-back from exhaust fans when they are turned off, this could be the culprit.

    Ive been noticing more and more exhaust fans coming with a capacitor across the leads to the motor to dampen this effect (I think)

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