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don_resqcapt19

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That is not covered by the NEC. That is covered by the local and/or state licensing laws. In many cases, no license is needed for employees working in an industrial facility doing electrical work.
 

iwire

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Here in MA where the OP is from the person must hold at least a journeymans license to do NEC electrical work.

However in general that stops at the equipments disconnect. On the load side of the disconnect its another story.
 

Fulthrotl

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Is it allowable to permit the installation of electrical devices on new or existing branch circuits by an unlicensed person in an industrial setting?

calif. has state licensing of journeymen for the classification of inside wireman.

in a factory, you will see all sorts of folks doing all sorts of things.
is it legal? probably not. is it enforceable? it wouldn't seem so.

electrical devices? are you talking specifically about replacing receptacles and switches?
 

petersonra

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Is it allowable to permit the installation of electrical devices on new or existing branch circuits by an unlicensed person in an industrial setting?

Allowable by who?

What do you mean by installation?

What do you mean by electrical devices?

In general, most states do not seem to require much in the way of licensing beyond the installation of the branch circuits, or at least don't enforce such requirements if they technically exist. There is good reason for this as often it is all but impossible to get licensed electricians that know enough about specialized equipment to install or maintain it properly, so the plant uses its own people to do so.

The most important question is, why are you asking?
 

mgookin

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Allowable by who?

What do you mean by installation?

What do you mean by electrical devices?

In general, most states do not seem to require much in the way of licensing beyond the installation of the branch circuits, or at least don't enforce such requirements if they technically exist. There is good reason for this as often it is all but impossible to get licensed electricians that know enough about specialized equipment to install or maintain it properly, so the plant uses its own people to do so.

The most important question is, why are you asking?

All good questions.

The janitor can plug in a vacuum and anyone can plug in the coffee maker.

The machine factory rep can connect to the j-box.

Need to run a new branch circuit for the coffee maker or new machine? Now you're doing electrical construction.
 

don_resqcapt19

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Need to run a new branch circuit for the coffee maker or new machine? Now you're doing electrical construction.
Typically, in this area, that type of work could be done by employees of the plant without permits or license.
 

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Can it be done yes, good idea no.

Can it be done yes, good idea no.

Can it be done yes, is it a good idea no. I went thru this before in team concept, anyone can do anything with training was the idea. As an electricial foreman I was dead set against it.
It started out as the team will now replace bad light bulbs, now the electrical department has to replace the broken sockets that they broke.
The team will clean the MCC's and panels after you check for no voltage, now the electrical department has to relpace broke bolts. and so on and so on and so on.
 

mgookin

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Typically, in this area, that type of work could be done by employees of the plant without permits or license.

In Florida we allow the facility to obtain an annual facility electrical permit.
They can do what they want when they need to, but they need an EC and they need inspections.
They just don't have to go stand in line for a permit every time they need to move or add something.
 

iwire

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In Florida we allow the facility to obtain an annual facility electrical permit.
They can do what they want when they need to, but they need an EC and they need inspections.
They just don't have to go stand in line for a permit every time they need to move or add something.

A bit different here.

If a facility has a master electrician on staff they can pull a yearly maintenance permit that allows repairs to existing. That work still needs to be done by a Master, a J-man or an apprentice under direct supervision.

But if its time for new circuitry etc a permit specif to that is supposed to be obtained.

Of course places cheat these rules often.
 

mgookin

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A bit different here.

If a facility has a master electrician on staff they can pull a yearly maintenance permit that allows repairs to existing. That work still needs to be done by a Master, a J-man or an apprentice under direct supervision.

But if its time for new circuitry etc a permit specif to that is supposed to be obtained.

Of course places cheat these rules often.

It's probably like that here too. If you're already at 600A you need a PE to add load. I have not read the rules in a long time.
Under 600A (commercial) the EC can do the design.
 
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