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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie b View Post
    Their wording is poorly written. But I think they are describing the 6' / 12' rule for receptacles in wall spaces. They are saying that a wall receptacle that is within 12 feet of a countertop receptacle does not comply with the rules. They are not saying anything about how the receptacle is powered.


    The second image does state that the far right receptacle shall not be served by the small appliance branch circuit. I agree with Ken, it would depend on what room that was in.
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    I find it interesting that one could go so far without on the wall without a receptacle. Of course, I would never do it that way but the fact is it can be done according to the NEC
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    Am I the only one that finds have 3' 11" of wall countertop space with no receptacle absolutely stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity View Post
    Am I the only one that finds have 3' 11" of wall countertop space with no receptacle absolutely stupid?
    NO, but if you were an inspector you couldn't write a correction notice for that either based on as written 2017 NEC.

    May or may not be what was intended but it is what resulted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kwired View Post
    NO, but if you were an inspector you couldn't write a correction notice for that either based on as written 2017 NEC.

    May or may not be what was intended but it is what resulted.
    I think that you might be correct although I don't know what was intended. This is just plain dumb.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    The second image does state that the far right receptacle shall not be served by the small appliance branch circuit. I agree with Ken, it would depend on what room that was in.
    It doesn't mention SABC though, but what can or can't be done does depend on what that space is. If part of kitchen, dining, breakfast room, etc. it must be on a SABC, which can also serve counter receptacles, or not - your choice. 1500 VA for each separate SABC in your feeder/service calculations though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity View Post
    Am I the only one that finds have 3' 11" of wall countertop space with no receptacle absolutely stupid?
    I'm with you and Larry on this.

    I would count the 36" section of the peninsula as counter-top for receptacle spacing because it follows the plane of the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    The second image does state that the far right receptacle shall not be served by the small appliance branch circuit.
    No it doesn't. It says that a wall receptacle must be within 12 feet of another wall receptacle, and that it can't be 12 feet away from a countertop receptacle and satisfy the 12 foot rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chamuit View Post
    I'm with you and Larry on this.

    I would count the 36" section of the peninsula as counter-top for receptacle spacing because it follows the plane of the wall.
    You certainly can do that, but Dennis' point is you don't have to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gadfly56 View Post
    You certainly can do that, but Dennis' point is you don't have to.
    Yep. Code is minimum - not best design.

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