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Jim W in Tampa said:Is one possible exception if that frig requires a dedicated circuit,then and only then would i require a single.
You might choose to install a single but you can not require a single.
Jim W in Tampa said:Is one possible exception if that frig requires a dedicated circuit,then and only then would i require a single.
iwire said:You might choose to install a single but you can not require a single.
Jim W in Tampa said:Bob,how can i have a dedicated outlet with a duplex?
Jim W in Tampa said:Bob,how can i have a dedicated outlet with a duplex?
tallgirl said:there's a section in the code (my copy of which is who knows where at the moment ...) which says that an individual branch circuit may include an additional outlet for a clock.
Panel Statement:
The definition proposed by the submitter is too restrictive.
A receptacle other than a single receptacle could be used and other means such as configuration or arrangement of the equipment could limit the application to a single utilization equipment
jshaw said:In reading this thread I seem to be missing something. In the exception in 210.52 (B)(1) Except 2. it states "The receptacle outlet for refrigeration equipment shall be permitted to be supplied from an individual branch circuit rated 15 amperes or greater."
No where can I see that it mentions that it can serve only 1 single utlization equipment. In fact, it only says refrigeration equipment. So, theoretically you could plug two refrigerators into that individual branch circuit. Or a Fridge and a small wine cooler say, as long as it only served refrigeration equipment.
I am just wondering where all the debate over utilization equipment comes into play concerning this particular exception?
Branch Circuit, Individual A branch circuit that supplies only one utilization equipment.
iwire said:Now read what the code making panel said when a proposal was pot in requesting that an individual branch circuit be limited to a single receptacle.
Panel Statement:
The definition proposed by the submitter is too restrictive.
A receptacle other than a single receptacle could be used and other means such as configuration or arrangement of the equipment could limit the application to a single utilization equipment
I'm with Mike, if there are two appliances listed seperately, then you wouldn't have an individual circuit any more.jshaw said:No where can I see that it mentions that it can serve only 1 single utlization equipment. In fact, it only says refrigeration equipment. So, theoretically you could plug two refrigerators into that individual branch circuit. Or a Fridge and a small wine cooler say, as long as it only served refrigeration equipment.
stickboy1375 said:You guys are killing me, right or wrong, it's all about interpretation, so stop beating that dead dog already... somethings don't have a right or wrong answer.... if the AHJ wants it installed then thats fine by me...
iwire said:The exception Tallgirl brought up is not there to allow another receptacle, it is there to allow a second piece of equipment.
Mike03a3 said:However, if you have an individual branch circuit intended to serve a single utilization equipment that requires only one receptacle (say, a refrigerator for example), then what "other means such as configuration or arrangement of the equipment" do you use to "limit the application to a single utilization equipment"?
iwire said:For code questions most times there is a right or wrong answer, there are a few sections that are intentionally left to the AHJ. (Nearest the point of entrance for example)
Your view of an AHJs authority is mistaken.
I also think you are under the impression that your local inspector is the AHJ. I do not believe CTs local inspectors are AHJs. CTs AHJ is at the state level.
An inspector must only apply the rules as adopted by the area.
They can certainly make amendments to the NEC, we have 60 or 70 amendments to the NEC here in MA and they can and should be enforced by the "Inspector of Wires" as they are called in our local laws.
Let me ask this stick.
What is the point of having a code book at all if the inspectors can ignore it?
How can an EC properly bid a job if they can not know what the inspector will want next?
Why are you required to have continuing education if the inspector can change the rules at any moment.
stickboy1375 said:So say everyone comes to the conclusion that a duplex behind the fridge on a 15a ckt. is FINE, but now I install the duplex but the inspector will not pass it, do I tell him to call you? or just change it to make him happy because thats his interpretation...
Another "means" of ensuring the sanctity of the circuit could be posting a sign, writing a memo, getting a tattoo, installing some tricky switching, etc...paul32 said:Nobody addressed Mike's point...
paul32 said:Nobody addressed Mike's point (I had thought of it also):
Mike03a3 said:So, at least for the refrigerator discussion, I advance the theory that the definitions do in fact prohibit a second, unnecessary, receptacle on an individual branch circuit.