iwire said:
I know I am not going to change your view, I don't expect to. You are the person it can't happen to..I know that because you told me so. I know you feel the only time it happens is when people are not qualified. .
It seems to me that in order to discredit my opinion, you want to make me look foolish. I can do that very well on my own, thank you.:wink:
I do not believe that these accidents could never happen to me, or that they only happen to the unqualified.
I am saying that I think the odds are extremely good that nothing will happen opening an energized enclosure. Surely, the number of enclosures opened in any given day without incident would support that notion.
I do believe that the skill of the worker has very much to do with it. How could anyone not believe that? Otherwise, what would be the point of qualified / unqualified, in this, or any other, subject.
I have in the past hooked up jumpers around switches in 200- 400a 480v feeders hot.
Let me go on record as saying that that kind of stuff is just nuts. I would never do anything remotely resembling that again. As far as that sort of thing goes, I am at the head of the NFPA70E line.
At my job, we have so many interconnected and computer controlled systems, I have no idea how you would troubleshoot them de-energized. You'd spend the whole day waiting for the computers to shut down and reboot. It simply ain't happening, and it is unreasonable to suggest that it could.
I don't know how other people's places work, but tuning, modifying and troubleshooting this stuff is an integral and constant part of the process. Does anyone really think it practical to go to the plant engineer 10-20 times a day for a hot work permit? Would we get a standing permit for all the interconnected machines?... Or just shut down large sections of the plant?
More likely, since it is the simplest solution, and doesn't affect anyone in the food chain but me, I'll be spending all day, where it's already too hot, in some unreasonable outfit, that never serves it's purpose. ( I hope ) How about some OSHA or NFPA
air conditioning requirement? Something that actually
would be appreciated by poor dumb saps like me out there.
Having worked
for EC's in plants, and having worked
as an employee in a plant, I can tell you it is two different things entirely. Keeping all this stuff going is a whole 'nother ballgame, and I rather take pride in it. It's kind of a perverted art form.
As the one who has to wear the stuff, and the one who has more knowedge of my job than anyone else on the planet, I think I deserve better consideration of my position, and more say in the matter. I don't like being mandated to, and will take every opportunity to say so.
(Elvis has left the building)