McDowellb said:
it was no different than adding an outlet in the bathroom, the new bathroom outlet would be required to be gfci protected.
That's a great example of my point.
Larry Fine said:
Think about it, though. There are six recessed lights in a bedroom. They want one more added, and we have to change the breaker. Seems silly to me.
If the six recessed lights are old non-thermal protected units, then, by your logic, the new recessed light should be exempt from any part of 410.64 that isn't included in the old recessed lights. Thermal protection. . .we don't need no stinkin' thermal protection.
Larry Fine said:
What if we replace a fixture? No new outlet, right? What if we remove a fixture and install a fan. Needs a new box. Still not a new outlet, right? Same hole is why?
You said it. There is no new outlet. The outlet is not the hole, nor the box, rather, it is the transition from the building wire to the fixture wire..therefor, no AFCI if there is no new outlet.
Larry Fine said:
What if we relocate a hole? Say a customer moves the dining room table and wants the chandelier re-centered over the table. New box? New hole? New outlet? AFCI?
If I can get at the cable going to the existing lighting outlet, loosen it and relocate it, remove the old ceiling box, and install the luminaire on the end of the same cable, then, for me, that's not a new
outlet and, to me, there's no AFCI required, but my AHJ would ultimately have to rule on that one.
Larry Fine said:
Suppose we relocate a receptacle? If we mount a plasma TV, new receptacle fed from one below it. Does AFCI need depend on whether we blank the old receptacle box?
Here, a new length of cable is added. Regardless of whether the old location is blanked, the receptacle at the plasma TV is new. . .new outlet in a bed requires a circuit protected by an AFCI.