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  1. #21
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    Re: Island receptacles

    What if I eat in what someone else calls my den or living room??

  2. #22
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    Re: Island receptacles

    i don't care if you eat in the crawl space, sleep in the closet, and party in the bathroom, BUT an inspector or an ahj has the right to call for an outlet that is not on the small appliance circuit if the general provisions require one, especially if the plans label the abutting room a living room.

    also remember that under the general requirements, dining room circuits are to be 20 amp.

    but i am not worried about what you do either way, i was only responding to the intent of the first query.

    paul

  3. #23
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    Re: Island receptacles

    The receptacle on a peninsula is for appliances that are used on the peninsula. If it was your residence, wouldn't you like to use your blender anywhere on that countertop?
    Call the inspector and ask what they prefer.

  4. #24

    Re: Island receptacles

    I work a modular plant that deals with houses all through the east coast and a cabinet is not considered wall space. The only time you'll run into needing a receptacle of this sort if it is a bar top (usually these are built like a wall anyway) (2) Wall Space. As used in this section, a wall space shall
    include the following:
    (1) Any space 600 mm (2 ft) or more in width (including
    space measured around corners) and unbroken along the
    floor line by doorways, fireplaces, and similar openings
    (2) The space occupied by fixed panels in exterior walls,
    excluding sliding panels
    (3) The space afforded by fixed room dividers such as freestanding
    bar-type counters or railings
    Hope this helps.
    Ken Hartman
    QA Manager/Inspector
    Pro Built Homes

  5. #25
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    Re: Island receptacles

    I am currently working on a 500+ sq. foot kitchen that has a "island" in the center of the room that measures 21 feet long by 4' wide. There is a 18" wide sink with a garbage disposal on the far south end , and a 4' wide gas range on the far north end, the remaining 15.5' is countertop workspace. The island is not flat on top, it has a 8" tall backsplash.

    The cabinet layout fron north to south is...
    1.5' drawer unit
    4' gas range
    2.5' cabinet
    2.5' cabinet
    1.5' waste basket drawer
    1.5' drawer unit
    3' cabinet with 18" sink on center
    4.5' open below for a seating area
    The seating area at the south end is raised to the backsplash height, 8" taller than the countertop surface.

    The "countertops on the outside walls" consist of only 12" to the left of the sink and 42" to the right of the sink.

    The NEC calls for only 4 outlets. One is required for the countertop surfaces on each side of the sink and one on the island + one more on the island because of the sink seperation.



    (yes, I did install outlets based on the 24" rule)

  6. #26
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    Re: Island receptacles

    Yours is hardly a normal island.The code only requires 1 receptacle.Now if there are no other counters for SA then i believe you need the second outlet to provide the 2 SA required.I am sure the customer wants some other outlets but we are talking min required.This island could be served with 1 split duplex and meet code.There is no need to change the code
    Tampa Florida

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    Re: Island receptacles

    Jim
    Read Wayne's post back on December 7th. Also read the reference in the NEC, and you will see that he is correct. I believe this island will require more than one receptacle based on code.

    Pierre

  8. #28
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    Re: Island receptacles

    Here is how I would see it:

    Starting from the north I am presumeing that this island is wider than 24" so the first space before the range which is 18" is wider than the required 12" so this space will be required to have one outlet, The space after the range is 105" which will require one outlet, The 53" after the sink will require one outlet also. Thats three receptacles just on the island then you get to the wall counter: which he stated is 12" to the left of the sink and 42" to the right so each would require a outlet and the right side would have to be installed to where it is no more than 24" from the receptacle to the end of the counter or sink. This brings the total receptacle outlets to 5 for the counters. Now for general wall space that is not serving counters it will be required for each wall space of 24" or more to have a outlet, then it is required to be within 6' of any break in the wall space, and so no point along the wall space is father then 6' from a receptacle, as stated in 210.52(A) So there will be more receptacles required then the 4 receptacles MSD stated. If the room is 10' x 25' you could have 9 more receptacles depending upon where the counters and appliance's land? And these will have to be on a 20 amp SA circuit save the dedicated receptacle for the frige.

    Did I miss any?

    [ January 08, 2005, 11:09 PM: Message edited by: hurk27 ]
    Wayne A. From: N.W.Indiana
    Be Fair, Be Safe
    Just don't be fairly safe

  9. #29
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    Re: Island receptacles

    Yours is hardly a normal island.
    Agreed, however, not all islands are small either.

    To get back on topic:
    I was simply showing that islands come in every size. And that mine "would be" code compliant and pose a serious safety hazard (cords over burners and sink) if installed to the minimum requirements of the NEC.

    Perhaps islands should be required to have outlets spaced no farther apart than _____ and/or atleast 1 outlet per ______ square feet of work surface area.

    From a safety standpoint; is there some logic in the 24" rule only on the outide walls vs. the island? And at the same time allow/require only 1 outlet on an island.

    Perhaps it has something to do with the upper cabinetry or maybe working too close to a window.

  10. #30
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    Re: Island receptacles

    MSD It does require more than one receptacle on island's and peninsula's when the counter space is broken up by a range or sink:

    210.52(C)(2) states:
    At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each island counter space
    And 210.52(C)(3) states:
    At least one receptacle outlet shall be installed at each peninsular counter space
    Then we look at 210.52(C)(4):
    4) Separate Spaces. Countertop spaces separated by range tops, refrigerators, or sinks shall be considered as separate countertop spaces in applying the requirements of 210.52(C)(1), (2), and (3) .
    As we can see each separate space is required to have a receptacle. But islands and peninsula's are just not required have more than one in each "space" which would require three for your island, as there are three seperated spaces. which should keep a cord from being run over the range or sink.
    Wayne A. From: N.W.Indiana
    Be Fair, Be Safe
    Just don't be fairly safe

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