Jim W in Tampa said:
#5 seems to say its a wall.
If by #5 you mean 400.8(5), then that interpretation would cause 422.16(B)(2)(4) to be in conflict with 400.8(5) unless you view 422.16(B)(2)(4) as a "backdoor" exception to 400.8(5). . I don't see it as a "backdoor" exception [altho I agree that "backdoor" exceptions are in the NEC, notice that 400.8(2) does
NOT have a listed exception pointing to 410.62(C)(1)(2)(c) and yet 410.62(C)(1)(2)(c) exists].
Jim W in Tampa said:
If its a hazard to run a cord thru a normall drywall type wall how is this differant ?Today its a micro on this shelf tomorrow its what ? I see this as the inspectors call.What good reason was there to not put receptacle on wall of shelf ?
"What good reason was there to not put receptacle on wall of shelf ?"
It was roughed according to standard proceedure. . There has never been a customer before that requested/paid for an additional shelf. . The micro is always hung.
Plus the shelf is quite small, short, and shallow. . A plug behind the micro would not allow the micro to be pushed back into its proper place. . Also the short opening would make access to the receptacle very difficult. . The cabinet space above was spacious and allowed great access.
"I see this as the inspectors call"
I talk to my fellow inspectors and contractors all the time and I've heard literally 1000s of stories about calls that inspectors have made. . Some of them are ridiculous. . But of course, there's 1000s more that are very sound but never get told. . The biggest difference between the 2 extremes is almost always divided between the inspector that "shoots from the hip" and the one that sees studying the NEC as step #1. . Find out what it actually says. . Think thru the application of any possible interpretations. . And then bring in common sense.
An interpretation is an inspectors call but he still has an
obligation to make the call according to the most logical [or at times the most liberal] reading of the words written and not according to his own fancy.
Jim W in Tampa said:
Fix is easy,remove micro till inspector is gone.No this wont fool him but it takes the liability on his part away.
The remove-til-inspector-is-gone route happens all the time. . All over the place I drive by strip store tenants that hang signs and things in their windows and run the cord up thru the ceiling tile to a plug above the drop ceiling. . These signs-n-such are never there on the final. . I know contractors are telling these people to hold off putting this stuff in til the inspectors gone. . Sometimes they "jump the gun" and don't wait long enough.
Example: I got a call Friday from a Structural/HVAC inspector doing a strip store tenant final. . He told me there was plug-in signs suction cupped to the front windows and the cord going up thru the drop tile ceiling. . I know it wasn't there on my electrical final. . I also know that place had non-ducted cold air returns [because I busted the Verizon guy for the 2000th time for not running plenum rated once again]. . In my opinion [which is shared by everyone else in my department], we only have NEC authority over cords that are attached to a permanently mounted or dedicated space pieces of equipment. . I told my fellow inspector, ceiling penetration or not, plenum cord or not, I didn't see it as a violation of NEC. . If it had been there at the time of my inspection, I would have written a Referral [which is nothing more than a heads-up for the next inspector] and stapled it to the Structural/HVAC card. . He's going to be writing up the tile penetration because of building code.
Actually that was a rather long example that didn't add much to the point. . But here's my point.
There's stuff on residences that would cut back sharply on the bottom line if handled as remove-til-inspector-is-gone. . What do you do with the micro Romex during the rough ? . Do you set up for it to be buried in the wall and you'll go back after your electrical final and cut open the wall to find it ? . Do you rough in a box in the cabinet and blank it off until after the final ? . What does a return trip to each house do to the profit margin ? . What's the inspectors reaction when he finds out you're normal operating proceedure is to rework things after the final ?
David