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Old 09-05-2007, 10:21 PM
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Just received my news letter from the NC Elect. contractors board yesterday and noticed that they had fined several contractors $ 500.00 and a reprimand for using a 4 ft ground rod for temp services. Spend $500.00 to save $8.00 now thats good business sense.
BTW October 1, 2007 Limited going up to $40,000.00 Interm. $110,000.00
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:33 PM
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I have pulled up my fair share of 4' rods.
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Old 09-05-2007, 10:35 PM
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I think it amazing that certain soil types will permit you to retrieve a ground rod of any length. It can sometimes take me an hour to get a rod in. It normally takes a backhoe to get them out, if you feel the neet to pull your temp rods. I never even try to pull them. Just collect the pole and move on.
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Just received my news letter from the NC Elect. contractors board yesterday and noticed that they had fined several contractors $ 500.00 and a reprimand for using a 4 ft ground rod for temp services. Spend $500.00 to save $8.00 now thats good business sense.
BTW October 1, 2007 Limited going up to $40,000.00 Interm. $110,000.00
$500, they should take his license away for a year, so he has time to catch up on the code requirements.
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If I can put a ground rod in by hand, I'll try to take it out when I pull the temp. But if I gotta get my Hilti 905 out to drive it, it's not worth the time to try to pull it back out.
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I have done insepctions where I began pulling the ground rod up rather simply, and thought it was a four foot rod...only to find out that it is 8! Then I have to redrive it for being wrong :(.
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Interesting how many ground rod violations were in this newsletter. Must be the latest inspection department topic.

Ryan I take it there is no way to check the length without pulling it?

Maybe an ultrasound?

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About 25 years ago I put 7' of an 8' long GR in and hit solid rock. Finally after an hour of pounding with a sledge hammer I cut off about 6" and pounded some more. The POCO guy told me I only a 7' GR and refused to put the meter in. He didn't pull it, how did he know? I drove another in right beside it that I slightly bent so it would curve at the rock. Same guy came back and he put the meter in....
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Interesting how many ground rod violations were in this newsletter. Must be the latest inspection department topic.

Ryan I take it there is no way to check the length without pulling it?

Maybe an ultrasound?
I don't know about any way to check length, BUT if you keep back issues of IAEI, in the March/April 2006- pages 20-22 describe how to identify counterfiet rods by looking for the UL listing marking- which is always stamped within 12" of the top of the rod per UL 467.

This marking is ONLY on the top 12" of the rod. While this does not stop a contractor from cutting the rod, only the top piece will have the UL stamp on it.

So by visual inspection, you would be able to verify that the rod meets the UL standard, and that it is the TOP of a rod. While this does not PREVENT anybody from cutting a rod, it does make it impossible to make an installation look like it should (by NOT having the UL stamp and info within the top 12" of the rod). If ALL inspectors follow this guideline, then any pieces cut would be rendered useless, and could help eliminate this problem.

This is probably the best/fastest way to ensure the installation meets code visually.
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