disconnect required??

[M. D.]

I have done similar installations and to tell the truth never gave it much thought but,.. would the structure to the right (post with required receptacle outlet) require a disconnect ?
I think it meets the definition of a "structure" and as such would require one . I also think it is an outbuilding as described in the exception to 225.36.
Next question ;does the snap switch have to be at or near the structure served? I think it does
In the area where I work this would not be tagged as a 225.31 violation.
Has anyone ever been tagged for this?

stories and Opinions Please.

[Pierre C Belarge]

Wow! that is some back yard. In the area I am from, there would probably be about a 1000 homes in that picture.

From what I can see by your photo, the receptacle would be premitted as your disconnecting means.

Nice picture..."a picture is worth a thousand words."

[M. D.]

Thanks for the reply Pierre, I'm not sure the receptacle provides a disconnecting means as to disconnect the ungrounded conductors that supply the structure though

If this structure were a garden shed with a receptacle installed would it not require a disconnect??

[iwire]

I think the NEC requires a disconnecting means.

A while back I installed four 30 amp 208 volt branch circuits to receptacles on a single post at a fair grounds. Once the job was underway and I really started to think about it I think I was in violation of

225.30

225.31

250.32(A)

In the end the inspector felt it was fine as it was.

[Pierre C Belarge]

Originally Posted by iwire

I think the NEC requires a disconnecting means.

A while back I installed four 30 amp 208 volt branch circuits to receptacles on a single post at a fair grounds. Once the job was underway and I really started to think about it I think I was in violation of

225.30

225.31

250.32(A)

In the end the inspector felt it was fine as it was.

225.30
in the case of this post, there seems to be only one circuit per post

225.31
The receptacle could be the disconnecting means

250.32(A)
The exception to (A) would most likely suffice here, meaning no grounding electrode would be required by NEC.

[iwire]

Originally Posted by Pierre C Belarge

225.31
The receptacle could be the disconnecting means

Can it be?

Do you have receptacles rated as service equipment per 225.36?

Do you have any receptacles that meet the requirements of 225.38?

In my opinion the receptacle in the picture can serve as the disconnecting means for the pump but by the letter of the code it can not serve as the disconnecting means for this 'structure'.

[Dennis Alwon]

Originally Posted by iwire

Can it be?

Do you have receptacles rated as service equipment per 225.36?

Do you have any receptacles that meet the requirements of 225.38?

In my opinion the receptacle in the picture can serve as the disconnecting means for the pump but by the letter of the code it can not serve as the disconnecting means for this 'structure'.

I agree but how ridiculous is that??? Any receptacle stubbed out of the ground would probably need a disco. A single pole switch would suffice but egads that's dumb.

[RAYMFL]

Read through 680 for Storable Pools. How deep is the pool (see definition of a storable pool)? 680.7, 680.12 for disconnecting means. 680.21(A)(1)&(5) minimum equipment gound and length of cord, 680.22(A)(5) GFCI within 10', 680.22(A)(1,2,3,4) for pump 5' to 10' from pool and 680.26(B) for equipotential bonding.

[iwire]

Originally Posted by RAYMFL

Read through 680.30

That really has nothing to do with M.D.'s question.

It is a matter of the NEC defining that post the receptacle is on as a structure.

[M. D.]

Originally Posted by RAYMFL

Read through 680 for Storable Pools. How deep is the pool?

there are other violations to be sure but I was wanting opinions as to the disconnect requirement.

It does seem "stupid" for a post to require a disconnect but if you read Bob's first post in this thread ,it seems a little less so.

It is funny to me that most, if not all of us ,would agree that a garden shed with a receptacle outlet installed would require a disconnect ,is there really a difference between the shed and the post in regard to the the disconnect and why it is required??? I think perhaps an exception for residential property might be a good idea.