Rough-in Box Brackets, level 5 finish

[Greenboy]

Has anyone experience GC not wanting screws on the face of the studs, for the reason of bulging drywall? The GC is trying to achieve level 5 finish. It is written in the spec that brackets shall be fastened to the inside of the framing stud.

Are there such brackets?

 

[infinity]

We've done many level 5 finishes on condos and that was never a requirement. What is the carpenter using to screw the studs together with?

 

[Greenboy]

We've done many level 5 finishes on condos and that was never a requirement. What is the carpenter using to screw the studs together with?

That is our argument as well. Their response is that the screws are at the top and bottom track. So it is less visible in those areas. Plus trim finish will cover up the bottom. It is a BS requirement, and should not be our issue.

 

[infinity]

I can't think of any mounting bar or bracket that is designed to mount to the inside of the stud. Guess that you'll have to spot weld the brackets to the studs.

 

[Bluegrass Boy]

You could use this style of Caddy Bracket . Use tin snips and cut off excess or bend the tabs opposite direction. It’s been a while, but IIRC, the slotted lines on the tabs are bend points based on box depth when mounting to stud surface. So you could cut excess, and bring cut point out even to stud surface for correct depth, or fold tabs backwards and screw from behind.

 

[Coppersmith]

I use these a lot.

 

[growler]

It is written in the spec that brackets shall be fastened to the inside of the framing stud.

If something like this is included in the job specifications then it can be enforced.
It's up to the sub contractor to read these specs before bidding the job.

 

[Todd0x1]

Caddy glider can be attached to the faces of the studs.

https://www.erico.com/part.asp?part=TSGLDR1#catalog-applications

 

[Coppersmith]

Caddy glider can be attached to the faces of the studs.

You can also bend the bracket and attach them to the sides of the studs but aligning the face of the box is harder.

 

[Todd0x1]

You can also bend the bracket and attach them to the sides of the studs but aligning the face of the box is harder.

Oops, I meant attach to the sides. I was incorrectly using face to refer to the wide part.

 

[hbiss]

I use these a lot.

Exactly. What's wrong with them?

-Hal

 

[Todd0x1]

Exactly. What's wrong with them?

-Hal

On a steel stud pushing in on the box causes the stud to twist. Every commercial job ive seen only uses various caddy brackets and never bracket type 4S boxes. Maybe its a regional thing...

 

[LarryFine]

I use these a lot.

Yes, and you can turn the stud around if the flat is on the wrong side (if we're talking about steel framing).

 

[Coppersmith]

I did not know we were talking about steel studs. I would have recommended a different product.

 

[James L]

I did not know we were talking about steel studs. I would have recommended a different product.

Level 5 finish is almost always in commercial work. And if bowing is a concern, wood studs ain't the way to go

 

[SSDriver]

What do you do about nail plates? I think it would be tough to not need one somewhere.

 

[LarryFine]

I presumed we were discussing metal because wood would mean nail-ons.

 

[Coppersmith]

Level 5 finish is almost always in commercial work. And if bowing is a concern, wood studs ain't the way to go

I have a level 5 finish in one of my bathrooms. The walls were skim coated after wallpaper was removed because the wallpaper was applied to unfinished drywall and tore it up upon removal.

 

[James L]

I have a level 5 finish in one of my bathrooms. The walls were skim coated after wallpaper was removed because the wallpaper was applied to unfinished drywall and tore it up upon removal.

Sure thing. Occasionally someone will do that under special circumstances. But to have job specs for level 5 finish is almost always gonna be commercial work and metal studs. Like 999 times out of a thousand.

And a skim coat with a sanding party is how a level 5 finish is achieved.

Back in 2007 I worked 4 months on a regional council building, painting. I ran an airless rug to spray ductwork and sprinkler pipes, and a lot if rolling, too.

At the end of our part, we had some accent walls that were sprayed with a delicate application called "Scuff Master" (why that name on delicate paint )

Anyway, those accent walls were the only walls spec'd to level 5 finish.

I've seen other times that certain office or corridor walls are spec'd to level 5 when they are perpendicular to windows.

 

[hbiss]

Level 5 is not uncommon in high end houses around here.

On a steel stud pushing in on the box causes the stud to twist. Every commercial job ive seen only uses various caddy brackets and never bracket type 4S boxes. Maybe its a regional thing...

Well, if the stud is sandwiched between two sides of 5/8 sheetrock that is adequately screwed I don't see it moving anywhere. Caddy brackets make installation easier and support the box with a "foot" from the opposite side sheetrock keeping the box from pushing in where the problem really is. This is really what the OP should be using but they still require screws on the face of the stud. Caddy does have low profile pan head screws for this.

I fail to see why this is an issue. A properly skim coated wall should cover any imperfection. I think the problem really is with the tapers and finishers he has not doing a good job.

-Hal