Does a metal tin ceiling have to be bonded?

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brantmacga

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I’m working on a cook shed for a friend; the ceiling is tin with recessed lighting.

He told me today the inspector had mentioned something about bonding the tin.

Is there an NEC requirement for this?

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You have 250.4(A)(4)

(4) Bonding of Electrically Conductive Materials and Other Equipment. Normally non–current-carrying electrically conductive materials that are likely to become energized shall be connected together and to the electrical supply source in a manner that establishes an effective ground-fault current path
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The sheets have to be

* connected together - they're connected at the seam, so that's covered

* connected to the electrical supply source - I could see this going either way ... if the sheets are on the top of the rafters, they could be floating and need a jumper somewhere to something bonded. If you had roof sheets screwed into the top of bar joist type trusses, and electrical conduits and boxes bolted to the trusses, I would think that's a good bond.

* in a manner that establishes an effective ground fault current path - this seems subjective, are the seams a good enough bond? If you have overlapping sheets of bare galvanized corrugated tin, that seems like a very good electrical connection, if the sheets are epoxy coated and the screws are coated with some climate seal, maybe not.
 
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low-wattage said:
You have 250.4(A)(4)



The sheets have to be

* connected together - they're connected at the seam, so that's covered

* connected to the electrical supply source - I could see this going either way ... if the sheets are on the top of the rafters, they could be floating and need a jumper somewhere to something bonded. If you had roof sheets screwed into the top of bar joist type trusses, and electrical conduits and boxes bolted to the trusses, I would think that's a good bond.

* in a manner that establishes an effective ground fault current path - this seems subjective, are the seams a good enough bond? If you have overlapping sheets of bare galvanized corrugated tin, that seems like a very good electrical connection, if the sheets are epoxy coated and the screws are coated with some climate seal, maybe not.
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So every metal roof on a building with electricity has to be bonded??
I haven’t ever bonded a metal roof on a house. Doubt many others have either.
 
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petersonra

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Hv&Lv said:
So every metal roof on a building with electricity has to be bonded??
I haven’t ever bonded a metal roof on a house. Doubt many others have either.
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It seems like something that someone forgot about. Maybe someone should suggest a change to the code to require metal roofing and siding to be bonded to the GES with a #6 conductor. :)
 
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low-wattage said:
You have 250.4(A)(4)



The sheets have to be

* connected together - they're connected at the seam, so that's covered

* connected to the electrical supply source - I could see this going either way ... if the sheets are on the top of the rafters, they could be floating and need a jumper somewhere to something bonded. If you had roof sheets screwed into the top of bar joist type trusses, and electrical conduits and boxes bolted to the trusses, I would think that's a good bond.

* in a manner that establishes an effective ground fault current path - this seems subjective, are the seams a good enough bond? If you have overlapping sheets of bare galvanized corrugated tin, that seems like a very good electrical connection, if the sheets are epoxy coated and the screws are coated with some climate seal, maybe not.
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Well, here they clearly aren't, unless they are cleverly disguising metal bars joists as wooden roof joists.
 
brantmacga

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low-wattage said:
You have 250.4(A)(4)



The sheets have to be

* connected together - they're connected at the seam, so that's covered

* connected to the electrical supply source - I could see this going either way ... if the sheets are on the top of the rafters, they could be floating and need a jumper somewhere to something bonded. If you had roof sheets screwed into the top of bar joist type trusses, and electrical conduits and boxes bolted to the trusses, I would think that's a good bond.

* in a manner that establishes an effective ground fault current path - this seems subjective, are the seams a good enough bond? If you have overlapping sheets of bare galvanized corrugated tin, that seems like a very good electrical connection, if the sheets are epoxy coated and the screws are coated with some climate seal, maybe not.
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I appreciate you finding this code to discuss.

Reading this, it seems to me the EGC to the fixture would provide the path to ground in case of a fault. My interpretation would be that this ceiling isn’t likely to become energized by something other than the fixtures, which again, are grounded.

Any thoughts on that?


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Check the local building code . In Ohio the OBC has a requirement in the electrical section to bond metal veneer on structures.
 
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