So obviously I think I'm right and my lead is wrong.

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So there is a double basin vanity and my lead said there has to be outlets on either side so both sinks have their own receptacle. But I said the prints don't show an receptacle on the right side and if you put one there it would be a violation. Too close to the bathtub.

He said don't worry the inspector will pass it.

I said ok, you're the lead, but I think it's wrong.IMG_20220816_123738935~3.jpg

Not the first time I've pointed out something that I knew was wrong and was told that that's the way we do it here.

The other one that comes to mind is not bonding the rebar that comes up out of the slab inside the wall in the garage.

But what do I know, I'm just an apprentice.
 
A receptacle is required within 3’ of each basin per 210.52(D), but not permitted within 3’ of tub per 406.9(C).
If rebar in garage was used as electrode for CEE, it is required to be extended to service equipment location. 210.52(A)(3), 250.66(B).
 
Receptacle has to be within 3 ft of basin. Change in 2020 NEC does limit placement near tub
Rebar in footing is required to be used as grounding electrode if it meets requirements
 
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Well a receptacle is needed for both sinks however if install one between the sinks that would cover the code ruling. It is hard to know especially since we don't know what year code you are using.
 
Sorry, I'm on 2020 code cycle. Georgia/South Carolina. It's a 60" vanity so the receptacle outlet on the left should be within 3 foot of the inner edge of the right basin. I think the receptacle outlet on the left would cover both basins.
 
Hv&Lv said:
Why not put a double gang in between the sinks?
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These houses have full mirrors the length of the vanity. Basically they are the cookie cutter residential home owners association type house, where the buyer selects which model they want and tweeks it a little. Every other house we did we always put a receipt on each side of a double vanity, but in this house, it would have been too close to the tub to be compliant. That coupled with the fact that the prints didn't show a recep between the vanity and tub. But the recep on the left should barely be within the 3 foot distance to reach the inner edge of the right vanity.
infinity said:
From the perspective of the NEC it would not. A single duplex receptacle would need to be between the two basins.
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Why would it not?

Edit::. There is no requirement for a duplex, only a receptical outlet, a duplex is a single receptacle outlet
 
Sea Nile said:
a duplex is a single receptacle outlet
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See article 100

Receptacle. A receptacle is a contact device installed at the
outlet for the connection of an attachment plug. A single
receptacle is a single contact device with no other contact
device on the same yoke. A multiple receptacle is two or
more contact devices on the same yoke.
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I don't have my 2020 handy but I'm curious. What happens if you have a double sink and the center point is still within 3 ft of the tub ?
 
augie47 said:
I don't have my 2020 handy but I'm curious. What happens if you have a double sink and the center point is still within 3 ft of the tub ?
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Here is the 2020

(C) Bathtub and Shower Space.

Receptacles shall not be instal⁠led within a zone measured 900 mm (3 ft) horizontally and 2.5 m (8 ft) vertically from the top of the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold. The identified zone is all-encompassing and shall include the space directly over the tub or shower stall.
Exception No. 1:
In bathrooms with less than the required zone the receptacle(s) shall be permitted to be installed opposite the bathtub rim or shower stall threshold on the farthest wall within the room.
Exception No. 2:
In a dwelling unit, a single receptacle shall be permitted for an electronic toilet or personal hygiene device such as an electronic bidet seat. The receptacle shall be readily accessible and located on one of the following:
  • (1)
    The wall behind the toilet but not behind the tank
  • (2)
    The opposite side of the toilet from the bathtub or shower
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roger said:
See article 100
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Yes, but the language says"receptacle outlet" not "receptacle". See article 100 for"receptical outlet "

James L said:
What about on the right side of the vanity, but lower than the rim of tub?
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That would be ok I think, but not a good idea. That is what I would call a loop hole. If I had to guess, the intent was to allow for a water jet pump installed in the base of the tub.
Dennis Alwon said:
In the original poster's case I would say he has to have a receptacle between the sinks to meet code
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But the inside rim of the right basin should be within 36 inches of the receptacle outlet on the left wall. That's why I think you don't need a second outlet at all.
 
Sea Nile said:
Yes, but the language says"receptacle outlet" not "receptacle". See article 100 for"receptical outlet "
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What language are you talking about? You stated as a matter of fact that a duplex receptacle is a single receptacle and the article 100 definition that says a duplex is multiple receptacles. We are not talking about "receptacle outlets" IOW's you are looking at the wrong definition.
 
BTW, a duplex receptacle could be installed in the mirror with a chrome plate if aesthetics is what they're worried about.
 
At a minimum you will need one receptacle between the two sinks to satisfy the code.

I would check with the AHJ on whether you can install a receptacle closer than you need to the tub or shower.
 
roger said:
What language are you talking about? You stated as a matter of fact that a duplex receptacle is a single receptacle and the article 100 definition that says a duplex is multiple receptacles. We are not talking about "receptacle outlets" IOW's you are looking at the wrong definition.
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No, I said a duplex receptacle is a single receptacle "Outlet".
 
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