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When do you consider yourself an electrician?

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Sea Nile

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Location
Georgia
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Electrician
This is an honest question, not trying to make a point, or rub anyone the wrong way.

Of the different stages, this is how I break it down...

1. Electrician's helper - typically a young person who doesn't know what he wants to do with his life, or someone who just wants a paycheck and not interested in learning.

2. Basic Installer - Someone who has been a helper long enough to work independently and possibly be in charge of helpers. Usually has a chip on their shoulder. Invests in their own tools.

3. Apprentice - someone who wants to learn how to be an electrician and doesn't have the "I'm God's gift to electricity" attitude. They study, ask questions, and invest in their own tools and books. Sometimes bumps heads with basic installers about doing things the right way.

4. Senior installer - very productive, fast, and knows how to make the company money and pass inspections. But doesn't understand theory or why they do what they do.

5. Unlicensed journeyman - very experienced, knows how to troubleshoot, people listed above (1-4) asks him how to do things. Has a good relationship with inspectors and can talk intelligently about all aspects of the job. But for whatever reason, hasn't or can't become licensed.

6. Licenced journeyman and above are self explanatory.

And of course almost everyone listed above will call themselves an electrician.

The reason I bring up this question, is i've always considered myself an apprentice.
I'll never accept the title of helper or installer. I plan on going from apprentice to unlicensed journeyman. But it amazes me how many people I meet who consider themselves electricians and I know much more than they do.

So at what point do I drop the apprentice label and just identify as an electrician?
 

junkhound

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Location
Renton, WA
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EE, power electronics specialty
did not Faraday go by the simple title of 'electrician' or "plain Mr Faraday to the end", while others of lesser contributions called themselves more grandiose titles?

one of my co-workers liked to go by 'technical fellow' WITHOUT the T or F capitalized :giggle:
 

synchro

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Location
Chicago, IL
Occupation
EE
Maybe the following could be for stage 0. when you are even younger.
I used to check this book out from the library when I was a kid. I bought an old hardcopy edition several years ago.
photo-of-book-the-boy-electrician.jpg


https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/63207

https://spectrum.ieee.org/the-first-book-of-electronics
 

Shaneyj

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Location
Katy, Texas
Occupation
Project Engineer
I guess it depends on where one puts their emphasis. The state defines it one way. Others maybe another.
I like my mentor’s definition.
One day on a job as an apprentice maybe 6-12 months in, I made a statement about being an electrician. He said, you’re not one yet, but someday you could be a good one. So I asked what’s an electrician then?
His response was “when you can show up and get the job done under any circumstances, whether it’s troubleshooting, installation etc. A pro knows what he doesn’t know and knows where to go find it”… or something to that effect.
There’s also another one I heard that I really like; a member from this site or electriciantalk said “I’m a professional because I show up on time and smell good”.
So I’ve adopted all 3
1. Capable
2. Punctual
3. Hygienic


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Sea Nile

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Location
Georgia
Occupation
Electrician
I actually agree with you, but I tend to 'P-Off' people when I disagree with their self imposed title. My argument is how can you call yourself an electrician when you don't even know how electricity works. This one guy who was installing for over 4 years tried to tell me that the electricity was trying to make it back to the panel. I told him no, it doesn't care about the panel, it's trying to get back to the transformer. Seems I tend to rub a lot of people the wrong way at the last place I worked at. That's one of the reasons I left that place. The only electrician was the owner, everyone else was level 1-5.
 

tthh

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Location
Denver
Occupation
Retired Engineer
I read an article some years ago that basically said that the people who knew the least about a particular subject way over estimated their ability and the people that knew the most underestimated their ability. I sort of think of it like, the least knowledgeable people don't know what they don't know and the most knowledgeable know there is always more to learn.
 

Besoeker3

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Location
UK
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Retired Electrical Engineer
For UK:

An electrician is generally someone who has completed a 3-4 year apprenticeship and holds a Level 3 technical and vocational qualification or Level 3 Diploma.
 

Strathead

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Location
Ocala, Florida, USA
Occupation
Electrician/Estimator/Project Manager/Superintendent
I agree and disagree. Or I tend to add a word, competent. So 6. is a licensed journeyman. But what is a competent electrician? I have met many people who can pass the test but aren't competent, and others who didn't take a test and are competent. I guess, I would come closer to Shaneyj's definition, but I am more tending to call that a master electrician. I think maybe a journeyman is one who can find things in the NEC. Reasonably interpret things he/she reads in the NEC, and can apply things he/she reads in the NEC. BUT that is a construction electrician. A Service journeyman electrician is different. Just like an aircraft electrician or a marine electrician are different. I have done both.
 

tortuga

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Location
Oregon
Occupation
Electrical Design
When your on a busy construction site and a welder cuts thru his own cord with his metal saw and yells "hey can any electrician come over here to fix my cord?" and you head over fix the cord and reset the GFCI. After that point they refer to you as one of the electricians, even if you dont.
 

tthh

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Location
Denver
Occupation
Retired Engineer
Just moved into a house I bought after looking for more than two years. Anyway, the house I rented, the landlord loved us because I never bothered her except for when the A/C on the roof went out. She calls me a week after I move out...there's an alarm going off in the basement...do you know what that is? The nextdoor guy has a handyman business, so he's there with her. Over the phone, I tell them it's probably the alarm on the sump pump...which I put in after the previous alarm which was a rigged up piece of junk went off twice for no reason. That was the alarm. Anyway, 3 calls to me over the course of a few hours and I'm asking them did they check the circut breaker and do the other things in that closet have power and "oh yes, they do" -- there's a sewage ejoctor pump and the house Cat5 wiring Ethernet switch. Well...on the third call, I say to them you did check the GFCI push-to-test outlet didn't you? Uh...no...oh, it's all working now.
 

Shaneyj

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Location
Katy, Texas
Occupation
Project Engineer
This is an honest question, not trying to make a point, or rub anyone the wrong way.

Of the different stages, this is how I break it down...

1. Electrician's helper - typically a young person who doesn't know what he wants to do with his life, or someone who just wants a paycheck and not interested in learning.

2. Basic Installer - Someone who has been a helper long enough to work independently and possibly be in charge of helpers. Usually has a chip on their shoulder. Invests in their own tools.

3. Apprentice - someone who wants to learn how to be an electrician and doesn't have the "I'm God's gift to electricity" attitude. They study, ask questions, and invest in their own tools and books. Sometimes bumps heads with basic installers about doing things the right way.

4. Senior installer - very productive, fast, and knows how to make the company money and pass inspections. But doesn't understand theory or why they do what they do.

5. Unlicensed journeyman - very experienced, knows how to troubleshoot, people listed above (1-4) asks him how to do things. Has a good relationship with inspectors and can talk intelligently about all aspects of the job. But for whatever reason, hasn't or can't become licensed.

6. Licenced journeyman and above are self explanatory.

And of course almost everyone listed above will call themselves an electrician.

The reason I bring up this question, is i've always considered myself an apprentice.
I'll never accept the title of helper or installer. I plan on going from apprentice to unlicensed journeyman. But it amazes me how many people I meet who consider themselves electricians and I know much more than they do.

So at what point do I drop the apprentice label and just identify as an electrician?

You’ve got plenty of experience. Why aren’t you licensed?
That’s not meant to be hostile, btw.


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Dennis Alwon

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Location
Chapel Hill, NC
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Retired Electrical Contractor
Imo, whether your union or not I would go by the guild system. Apprentice, journeyman and Master

Apprentice is an electrician helper.

a person who is learning a trade from a skilled employer, having agreed to work for a fixed period at low wages.
"he began his training as an apprentice to a decorative painter"

Journeyman
a trained worker who is employed by someone else.

Master
1. a man in charge of an organization or group.

2. having or showing very great skill or proficiency.
 

Sea Nile

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Location
Georgia
Occupation
Electrician
You’ve got plenty of experience. Why aren’t you licensed?
That’s not meant to be hostile, btw.


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I've only got 1 year of actual experience. You need 4 years to take the exam.

But about 2 years before I retired from the Army I started studying the Mike Holt products so I gained a lot of knowledge before I got any experience.
 

letgomywago

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Location
Washington state and Oregon coast
Occupation
residential electrician
I've only got 1 year of actual experience. You need 4 years to take the exam.

But about 2 years before I retired from the Army I started studying the Mike Holt products so I gained a lot of knowledge before I got any experience.
I think you might want to write this all down in a journal how you feel about your trade knowledge and in another year look back. That may answer your question
 
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