Receptacle behind fastened in place appliance

HEYDOG said:
Must be accessible or have disconnecting means! 422.33
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The way I read that, if the recep/plug is serving as the disconnecting means, it needs to be accessible. Based on the definition of accessible, I think the receptacle could be behind the dishwasher, EVEN IF it was serving as the disconnecting means.

More generally, does a recep and plug need to be accessible? Can I completely frame and drywall in an area and have say a lamp plugged in to a recep in there? I'm not seeing any prohibition from this.
 
As a an appliance tech... I don't care what code says. I Put that outlet under the sink for the dishwasher where it can be plugged/unplugged without moving said appliance.
Another note. Why do electricians install outlets less than 12 inches off the floors for washers and dryers when you can install them 30 inches off the ground and still be hidden away?
 
would the dishwasher once mounted be part of the stated " finish of the building" to me it would be hence can't be behind the dishwasher since it finished part of the building and bolted in.
House is not really finished till you can wash your dishes lol
 
AC\DC said:
would the dishwasher once mounted be part of the stated " finish of the building"
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I can't imagine that.
There are other appliances which have cords and require some amount of disassembly to access.

I'm thinking about some wall mounted range hoods, where receptacle is behind a shroud.
 
James L said:
I can't imagine that.
There are other appliances which have cords and require some amount of disassembly to access.

I'm thinking about some wall mounted range hoods, where receptacle is behind a shroud.
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yes but the appliance is still in place when you access it. You can't do that with the dish. I think its a battle with inspector if you try and put it behind the dish.
 
OK so this sounds like a very long debate. How for example do you consider the outlet as per installation requirements of lets say a Miele
mircowave that"s built into a cabinet under the island. They give you a 4x 4 space in upper corner for placement of receptacle behind unit.

The appliance tech should be aware that he can shut off circuit breaker or remove unit to unplug.
 
rojay said:
It looks like flexible cord connections for specific appliances are covered in 422.16(B). The appliances called out seem to be allowing an “accessible” vs. “readily accessible “receptacle. A dishwasher receptacle is no longer permitted to be located in the appliance space- NEC 422.16(B)(2)(5)
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What exactly is a "built in dishwasher"?
 
kec said:
OK so this sounds like a very long debate. How for example do you consider the outlet as per installation requirements of lets say a Miele
mircowave that"s built into a cabinet under the island. They give you a 4x 4 space in upper corner for placement of receptacle behind unit.

The appliance tech should be aware that he can shut off circuit breaker or remove unit to unplug.
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never seen one of those so I looked on page 44 shows the receptacle located in a cavity above the micro not behind it. probably with a removable cover on the front of cabinet. Plus its an overseas item if its not listed ( I did not look into that)than the mandated instruction are kinda out the window if it violates NEC for the receptacle being accessible, so first we need to decide what NEC says about an appliance that is mounted to structure with receptacle behind it.
 

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AC\DC said:
any dishwasher that has a dedicated space in cabinetry and is fasten to it in my opinion. You could have one of those dishwashers on wheels that are mobile. The one with wheels would not be" built in "
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Yeah I guess that what it means. I never noticed that phrase before.

Ok so here is where we are at. A dishwasher has special requirements, so seems like a recep is not permitted in the dishwashers space per post #7.

But more generally, I am still not seeing s general requirement that a receptacle be accessible. Did I miss it? What about the case of the lamp in my walled in torture room?
 
AC\DC said:
never seen one of those so I looked on page 44 shows the receptacle located in a cavity above the micro not behind it. probably with a removable cover on the front of cabinet. Plus its an overseas item if its not listed ( I did not look into that)than the mandated instruction are kinda out the window if it violates NEC for the receptacle being accessible, so first we need to decide what NEC says about an appliance that is mounted to structure with receptacle behind it.
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Here's the Sharp installation instructions. sometimes there are no place in adjacent cabinets.
 

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