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    #16
    Originally posted by roger View Post
    Go back and read Accessible (as applied to wiring methods), you're reading the wrong definition.

    Roger


    Accessible is not Readily Accessible.

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      #17
      Originally posted by jaggedben View Post


      Accessible is not Readily Accessible.


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        #18
        I dont know about other conductors being accessible but 250.24(A)(1) says GEC connection to be accessible.

        Why would one use accessible as applied to wiring methods as oppose to accessible as applied to equipment? One needs access to inside meter where GEC is connected.

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          #19
          Originally posted by hhsting View Post
          I dont know about other conductors being accessible but 250.24(D) says GEC connection to ne accessible.
          All the conductors in a meter can are accessible period, whether or not some clueless POCO has their own rules does not change the NEC definition of
          Accessible (as applied to wiring methods).

          Originally posted by hhsting View Post
          Why would one use accessible as applied to wiring methods as oppose to accessible as applied to equipment?
          Because the wiring in the can is "wiring"

          Originally posted by hhsting View Post
          One needs access to inside meter where GEC is connected.
          After being in the trade for more than 40 years I don't know of one single time a GEC needed attention inside a meter can.

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            #20
            Alright. Just wondering under what circumstances one would use as accessible applied to equipment. Every equipment person wants access to need acces to wiring inside. Why is it even in code.
            Last edited by hhsting; 07-07-19, 08:05 PM.

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              #21
              We're also in a state where the POCO tags/locks their meters, and thus we're not allowed to land GECs there. That's a shame, because it's almost always the best place by far to land at least the driven-electrode conductor(s). Water and any other internal GECs are probably as well inside, as it usually provides a shorter path.
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                #22
                In Washington our rules state the GEC can not connect in the meter socket as its not accessible, but if the POCO requires a GEC then its allowed (IE at a remote meter)
                I would suggest the best location for the GEC connection is at the meter socket as it offers the shortest path to ground for lightning, instead of from an inside electrical panel.
                Or better yet, make the GEC connection at the weather head. Out here the AHJ would have to look twice at that.

                And (again, out here) I have never seen a meter socket with a location to land a GEC...
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                  #23
                  Originally posted by tom baker View Post
                  Or better yet, make the GEC connection at the weather head. Out here the AHJ would have to look twice at that.
                  I've seen that done quite a bit on older houses in rural areas.

                  And (again, out here) I have never seen a meter socket with a location to land a GEC...
                  Our POCO provides meter bases free, and always Milbank if I remember correctly. Look between the neutral lugs and the right insulation block:

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by tom baker View Post

                    And (again, out here) I have never seen a meter socket with a location to land a GEC...
                    And here you can't find one without it.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by roger View Post
                      And here you can't find one without it.

                      Roger
                      Same here. The meter socket always has a place for the GEC here, although the POCO"s will not let you use it to connect the GEC.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by tom baker View Post
                        In Washington our rules state the GEC can not connect in the meter socket as its not accessible, but if the POCO requires a GEC then its allowed (IE at a remote meter)
                        I would suggest the best location for the GEC connection is at the meter socket as it offers the shortest path to ground for lightning, instead of from an inside electrical panel.
                        Or better yet, make the GEC connection at the weather head. Out here the AHJ would have to look twice at that.

                        And (again, out here) I have never seen a meter socket with a location to land a GEC...
                        Can you provide a code section for that? I do not see it in the WAC.
                        Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

                        "You can't generalize"

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                          #27
                          It may be in the Electrical Currents. I just remember that being discussed. 250 068 says the termination point must be accessible, L&I does not consider it accessible in the meter socket - I would justify that based on it does not meet the requirement of accessible in the NEC

                          Side bar to electrofelon....
                          I don't like the requirements for electrical installations to be in the Currents (note to non Washington electricians). The Electrical Currents is our state chief electrical inspectors newsletter. A requirement (policy) in it can be enforced as a rule (state law allows the chief to do this)
                          I have had some electrical currents requirements moved into the electrical rules. Its hard to find those currents articles...

                          Did you see the article I wrote for the 100th anniversary of electrical licensing (March)
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                          Ancora Imparo

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                            #28
                            So the question is why does the GEC connection need to be accessible?
                            I think I have the answer.
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                            Ancora Imparo

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                              #29
                              I deal with five different POCOs in my area. Two of them require the GEC to connect at the weatherhead, unless it's an underground. One of the two will allow the GEC to connect in the meterbase if underground and the other requires it to run to the panel or 1st means of disconnect w/OCPD.
                              The other three all require the connection in the meterbase.

                              Now try and remember which one you're dealing with during install!
                              If you aim at nothing, you will hit it every time!

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by tom baker View Post
                                It may be in the Electrical Currents. I just remember that being discussed. 250 068 says the termination point must be accessible, L&I does not consider it accessible in the meter socket - I would justify that based on it does not meet the requirement of accessible in the NEC

                                Side bar to electrofelon....
                                I don't like the requirements for electrical installations to be in the Currents (note to non Washington electricians). The Electrical Currents is our state chief electrical inspectors newsletter. A requirement (policy) in it can be enforced as a rule (state law allows the chief to do this)
                                I have had some electrical currents requirements moved into the electrical rules. Its hard to find those currents articles...

                                Did you see the article I wrote for the 100th anniversary of electrical licensing (March)
                                Ok it's probably just a common interpretation with L&I and not specifically codified. I don't believe 250.068 applies as that is talking about the connection of a GEC tap to the GEC

                                P S. Where is the article?
                                Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

                                "You can't generalize"

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