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    #31
    Well, look at the "bright" () side: with a front-mounted receptacle, the receptacles flanking the window won't have to crowd the window trim; they can be a couple of feet away.
    Master Electrician
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    Richmond, VA

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      #32
      There is a 4 inch spacer below the header atop the window. Pull that spacer out and raise the window 4 inches. That will give you a 4 inches sill to put your outlet turned sideways.


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        #33
        Originally posted by Russell Ensslin View Post
        There is a 4 inch spacer below the header atop the window. Pull that spacer out and raise the window 4 inches. That will give you a 4 inches sill to put your outlet turned sideways.


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        Window may not be able to go any higher on the outside of he wall.
        I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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          #34
          If that be the case pendant receptacles look like the only option.
          Maybe you can find some really cool ones


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            #35
            Originally posted by TimWA View Post
            Ok getting back if anyone's still following this, response to my email query on this with pics to lead electrical inspector:


            " You can mount them in the front of the cabinet (no more than 12” down), or use the new pop-up type to cover those spaces.

            Thank you,

            *********
            Lead Electrical Inspector
            Tumwater and Aberdeen Offices
            Department of Labor and Industries Electrical"
            I don't see how mounting them in the front of the cabinet would be compliant with 210.52(C)(5).

            (5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shall be
            located on or above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above,
            the countertop or work surface.

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              #36
              Originally posted by packersparky View Post
              I don't see how mounting them in the front of the cabinet would be compliant with 210.52(C)(5).

              (5) Receptacle Outlet Location. Receptacle outlets shall be
              located on or above, but not more than 500 mm (20 in.) above,
              the countertop or work surface.
              Read the exception.

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                #37
                Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
                Read the exception.
                The exception only applies to construction for the physically impaired and island and peninsula countertops.
                Last edited by packersparky; 06-02-19, 11:14 PM.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by packersparky View Post
                  The exception only applies to construction for the physically impaired and island and peninsula countertops.
                  Keep reading.

                  (1) Construction for the physically impaired
                  (2) On island and peninsular countertops or work surface where the surface is ƒat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop or work surface, such as an overhead cabinet

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
                    Keep reading.


                    The "work surface" that is mentioned is specific to an island or peninsula work surface.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by packersparky View Post
                      The "work surface" that is mentioned is specific to an island or peninsula work surface.
                      See the word "or".

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by packersparky View Post
                        The "work surface" that is mentioned is specific to an island or peninsula work surface.
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                        Master Electrician
                        Electrical Contractor
                        Richmond, VA

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                          #42
                          Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
                          See the word "or".

                          "countertops or work surface" is preceded by "island or peninsular". It does not apply to all work surfaces in this exception.

                          "On island and peninsular countertops or work surface"

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                            #43
                            Originally posted by packersparky View Post
                            "countertops or work surface" is preceded by "island or peninsular". It does not apply to all work surfaces in this exception.

                            "On island and peninsular countertops or work surface"
                            Choose one. That's what the word 'or' means.

                            So let's break it down.

                            On island and peninsular countertops or work surface where the surface is ƒflat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop or work surface, such as an overhead cabinet

                            I choose the latter, 'work surface where the surface is flat across....' So let's eliminate that which I didn't choose.

                            On .....work surface where the surface is ƒflat across its entire surface (no backsplashes, dividers, etc.) and there are no means to mount a receptacle within 500 mm (20 in.) above the countertop or work surface, such as an overhead cabinet......

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                              #44
                              When in doubt, consult the inspector.
                              Master Electrician
                              Electrical Contractor
                              Richmond, VA

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
                                Choose one. That's what the word 'or' means.
                                I read it as:

                                "On island and peninsular countertops or work surface..."
                                "On island and peninsular (countertops or work surface)"

                                the "or" refers to how you define the 'peninsular' flat surface; it's not adding a 3rd option.

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