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    Experiments

    190102-0919 EST

    On the subject of experiments.

    I do experiments in all sorts of places. Such as: living room, kitchen, bedroom, pantry, garage, basement, backyard, out in the country, at the shop, and anywhere that is useful. Not just in a laboratory.

    The pantry is a very constant temperature low air flow rate location. The kitchen provides water, heat, cold, and table space. Also natural gas, but I have no active ports in the house. So propane gets used for these needs.

    The garage provides freezer space, table space, hot and cold temperature chamber. Haven't had a car in the garage for 30 or more years. At one time my machine shop was in the garage.

    The living room is good for taking pictures, and doing miscellaneous experiments.

    The bedroom is radio communication, and RFI experiments.

    The basement is photo lab, machine work, electronic work, parts storage, computers , printing, all sorts of test equipment, place to do some electrical power measurements, chemistry, storage of mercury, and office and computers.

    Den is computer and copier location. In days past my wife did silk screening in the den.

    The shop is a different location 2 miles away. Mostly my son's stuff. About 8 CNC machines, and manual machines, sheet metal equipment, welding, grinding, and material storage. I have worked fom home or other places all my life.

    I have gone out in the recreation areas where Consumers Power and DTE interconnect and measured the direction of ground current below the high voltage lines. It was not parallel with the power lines.

    Henry Ford was chief engineer at a Detroit power plant in the 1890s. He used some of their capability to do somethings, but he had a shed at the back of his rented home on Bagley Street where he had a machine shop, and made his first gasoline engine. This engine was first run on the kitchen sink with his wife dripping gasoline into the engine. Ignition was from the electric socket over the sink. His first car, the quadricycle, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Quadricycle was built in that shed. The Bagley shop is now in Greenfield Village.

    Thomas Edison did experiments at home as a boy, and still as a boy at other locations, like the baggage car of the Grand Trunk Railroad as it was going between stations. Because his chemicals started a fire in the baggage car he and all his equipment were thrown off at Smiths Creek, Michigan.

    In 1876 at the age of 29 Edison invented what maybe the world's first industrial research facility at Menlo Park, NJ. Before this he was an individual having to go many different places to have work done to accomplish a given invention. Also true of other inventors. With the invention of the research park he was able to bring together many of the inter-related needs to develop a product in one place, efficiency. Edison's development of the electric power industry was greatly aided by the invention of Menlo Park. Here all of the pieces needed to create a practical electrical system were developed (invented). An efficient dynamo, a light bulb with adequate life, a high voltage parallel system, switches, sockets, fuses, metering, etc. The Edison Effect (diode), magnetic core saturation, and means to remove gasses from bulb components, were discovered at Menlo Park.

    Today a single inventor can do a lot, but there are many things that can not be done outside of a large research facility. There is no way I can make a microcircuit in my basement, but 2 miles from me they can make the world's smallest computer in a 100 million dollar facility. I could possibly design such a device in my basement, but I could not make it.

    Inter-related with experiments there are various people types. Idea people are inventors. Examples are Ford, Edison, Tesla, Igor Sikorsky, Babbage, Howard Aiken, Arthur Burks, John von Neumann, Jonas Salk, Julius Lilienfeld, Bardeen, Brattain, Shockley, Hewlett and Packard.

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    A professor told our class that occasionally farmers stole power from the TVA by stringing a low wire under transmission lines. I believed him as he had a hot line in his office from the TVA, he was an expert on 3 phase faults.

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      #3
      I heard about a farmer who first lodged a complaint against the power company for saturating his farm with electromagnetic energy from their newly-constructed transmission line, then stole energy with a low parallel wire. When the power company sued him for theft of power, he showed their letter -- saying that an insignificant amount of energy escaped from the powerlines -- to the court. Didn't hear the outcome.

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        #4
        that is one experiment I plan on doing... can I get free electricity form the power company without connectig or touching their lines??? seen a lot of stuff on pinterest but...
        Student of electrical codes. Please Take others advice first.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Adamjamma View Post
          that is one experiment I plan on doing... can I get free electricity form the power company without connectig or touching their lines??? seen a lot of stuff on pinterest but...
          Yes you can as long as you are willing to sacrifice freedom for free electricity. It is illegal.
          BB+/BB=?

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            #6
            Originally posted by gar View Post
            190102-0919 EST

            On the subject of experiments

            There is no way I can make a microcircuit in my basement, but 2 miles from me they can make the world's smallest computer in a 100 million dollar facility. I could possibly design such a device in my basement, but I could not make it

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            But if you try long enough, just as Edison did to invent light bulb, you could do it, IMO. But with lot of failures intervening. That is how science develops!

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              #7
              Originally posted by mivey View Post
              Yes you can as long as you are willing to sacrifice freedom for free electricity. It is illegal.
              Seems like saying it's illegal to receive a radio transmission.

              Does it actually cost the POCO any more when energy is collected this way?
              Master Electrician
              Electrical Contractor
              Richmond, VA

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                #8
                Originally posted by LarryFine View Post

                Does it actually cost the POCO any more when energy is collected this way?
                A fluorescent tube light, when held under HV transmission line, lights up illuminating a farmer field at the cost of POCO. Definitely illegal!

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                  #9
                  190104-1100 EST

                  Sahib:

                  I don't have 100 million dollars. Somethings take a lot of money to do.

                  Could I make a very simple integrated circuit in my basement? Possibly. Would I? No.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Sahib View Post
                    A fluorescent tube light, when held under HV transmission line, lights up illuminating a farmer field at the cost of POCO. Definitely illegal!
                    No question that energy used this way costs the POCO in lost revenue, presuming the light would be used by the farmer either way.

                    My question is whether there is an actual increase in electricity supplied to the transmission line for energy harvested this way.

                    Or is this just intercepting power that would otherwise be wasted in capacitance to the earth, causing no real increase in power used?
                    Master Electrician
                    Electrical Contractor
                    Richmond, VA

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by LarryFine View Post
                      No question that energy used this way costs the POCO in lost revenue, presuming the light would be used by the farmer either way.

                      My question is whether there is an actual increase in electricity supplied to the transmission line for energy harvested this way.

                      Or is this just intercepting power that would otherwise be wasted in capacitance to the earth, causing no real increase in power used?
                      The power loss due to fluorescent light is really in addition to the power being already lost to the surrounding by radiating HV transmission lines.

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                        #12
                        Ok. You build a water pipeline. It passes through my land. I have a pond on my land that before your pipeline was built averaged five foot deep in the middle of summer, but since you built your pipeline, averages twenty feet deep and overfills a bunch, keeping a stream throughout the year instead of just in rainy season... but you do all maintenance upon your pipeline and I have nothing to do with it.
                        so now you decide I owe you for the extra water your pipes must be supplying me with? If I have no connections at all to your pipeline?

                        That is basically what you are saying concerning the power... it somehow leaks enough to supply me wirelessly yet I am supposed to pay for it if it supplies me wirelessly..kinda like saying that people living beside a drive in should pay for the movie every night..
                        Student of electrical codes. Please Take others advice first.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Adamjamma View Post
                          Ok. You build a water pipeline. It passes through my land. I have a pond on my land that before your pipeline was built averaged five foot deep in the middle of summer, but since you built your pipeline, averages twenty feet deep and overfills a bunch, keeping a stream throughout the year instead of just in rainy season... but you do all maintenance upon your pipeline and I have nothing to do with it.
                          so now you decide I owe you for the extra water your pipes must be supplying me with? If I have no connections at all to your pipeline?

                          That is basically what you are saying concerning the power... it somehow leaks enough to supply me wirelessly yet I am supposed to pay for it if it supplies me wirelessly..kinda like saying that people living beside a drive in should pay for the movie every night..
                          It's not the same. Conservation of energy says if energy is harvested from a source then it's lost from the source. In this case it's a very small amount, of course. Remember the harvesting of rounded off pennies the guys in Office Space were doing?

                          The drive-in movie should build a fence if they don't want their neighbors watching for free, but they won't be getting the sound at any rate. Of course with some of the <ahem> movies that drive-ins play, is the sound all that important?

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                            #14
                            My thought is the energy lost to the ground is partially dissipated in the fluorescent tube, as an experiment it could be tested in principle with a van de Graaf. A parallel line I am not sure about, but suspect it would be acting as a transformer.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Eddie_T View Post
                              My thought is the energy lost to the ground is partially dissipated in the fluorescent tube, as an experiment it could be tested in principle with a van de Graaf. A parallel line I am not sure about, but suspect it would be acting as a transformer.
                              My question is whether the energy consumed is additional energy taken from the line or a reduction in the energy otherwise lost.
                              Master Electrician
                              Electrical Contractor
                              Richmond, VA

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