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    #61
    One other comment, that granted gets beyond the thread title of "residential" is another thing that really annoys me about square D is their lower cost homeline line is not available in three phase so you have to use overpriced QO. The other guys offer everything in three phase.
    Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

    "You can't generalize"

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      #62
      Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
      One other comment, that granted gets beyond the thread title of "residential" is another thing that really annoys me about square D is their lower cost homeline line is not available in three phase so you have to use overpriced QO. The other guys offer everything in three phase.
      Well, it does say "home."

      That's where BR shines for me.
      Master Electrician
      Electrical Contractor
      Richmond, VA

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        #63
        Originally posted by LarryFine View Post
        Well, it does say "home."

        That's where BR shines for me.
        Yeah they should offer it in three phase AND not have the word " home" in the name.
        Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

        "You can't generalize"

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          #64
          Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
          One other comment, that granted gets beyond the thread title of "residential" is another thing that really annoys me about square D is their lower cost homeline line is not available in three phase so you have to use overpriced QO. The other guys offer everything in three phase.
          When they came out with Homeline it was for the purpose of having a product that is competitive in the residental market. I honestly don't think three phase loadcenters or three pole breakers would be significantly less if they made them for that line, so why not just stick with QO for those applications? I doubt if they made a bolt on version it would be significantly less either.

          Eaton acquired the BR line from someone else, and chose to continue with it pretty much as is. Had they decided to make their own series that would be competition to Homeline, something tells me it would have been only single phase as well.
          I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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            #65
            I was a test contractor for Homeline when it was introduced. I was told that the reason for having 2 lines was to allow sales of QO at a higher price point for commercial/industrial markets and use the HOM to compete with the residential market. If they were to offer 3 phase HOM it would defeat the purpose of having 2 lines.

            QO and HOM breakers have the same internals, only the case is different so SquareD's build cost is the same. The load center boxes are the same except for QO's are slightly shorter since the breakers are 3/4" instead of 1". The HOM busing is slightly cheaper since its AL vs QO which is copper. Basically SquareD could offer an aluminum bused version of QO and their cost would be essentially the same as HOM. They want to be able to market a higher priced line of equipment.

            Also wanted to add:
            For those posting they don't like HOM loadcenters with the new wire entry design. This is just an option, you can still get standard KO's. All of the load centers I purchase come with KO's.
            Curt Swartz
            Electrical Contractor

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              #66
              Originally posted by curt swartz View Post
              I was a test contractor for Homeline when it was introduced. I was told that the reason for having 2 lines was to allow sales of QO at a higher price point for commercial/industrial markets and use the HOM to compete with the residential market. If they were to offer 3 phase HOM it would defeat the purpose of having 2 lines.

              QO and HOM breakers have the same internals, only the case is different so SquareD's build cost is the same. The load center boxes are the same except for QO's are slightly shorter since the breakers are 3/4" instead of 1". The HOM busing is slightly cheaper since its AL vs QO which is copper. Basically SquareD could offer an aluminum bused version of QO and their cost would be essentially the same as HOM. They want to be able to market a higher priced line of equipment.

              Also wanted to add:
              For those posting they don't like HOM loadcenters with the new wire entry design. This is just an option, you can still get standard KO's. All of the load centers I purchase come with KO's.
              Other than it wasn't offered in the three phase versions it was like purchasing a Buick instead of the Cadillac. 3/4 inch wide breakers instead of 1" wide breakers has some space advantages. Now that 42 circuit rule is gone 60, 72, 84 circuit panels are possible and not as tall with QO as they are with any 1" wide breaker Those are more common with "panelboards" than they are with "loadcenters" but still something to consider. Though you are not supposed to work things "hot" I'd rather work in a live QO panel than a live Homeline panel, less bus is exposed on unused spaces.
              I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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                #67
                I used to say Square D QO without hesitation, but I'm liking Eaton a lot these days.

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                  #68
                  One of the Custom Home ECs in the area quit QO and switched to CH because of the response he got from QO over their AFCIs random tripping.
                  Tom
                  TBLO

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by kwired View Post
                    I honestly don't think three phase loadcenters or three pole breakers would be significantly less if they made them for that line, so why not just stick with QO for those applications? I doubt if they made a bolt on version it would be significantly less either.
                    l.
                    I disagree. A qo320 is about $70. A Siemens q320 is half that. HOM breakers are half the price of the QO version. QO is overpriced.
                    Ethan Brush - East West Electric. NY, WA. MA

                    "You can't generalize"

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                      #70
                      I'm an old CH type guy.

                      But I've worked with QO, Homeline, Siemens, GE, Bryant (many versions) etc etc.

                      Still a preference for CH even if I cannot state what that is....
                      Fredericksburg, VA

                      21 Hours from Winged Horses with traffic;)

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                        #71
                        Originally posted by ptonsparky View Post
                        One of the Custom Home ECs in the area quit QO and switched to CH because of the response he got from QO over their AFCIs random tripping.
                        Hmmmm...now where have I heard that before?

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by JohnE View Post
                          Same here, Peter.


                          I think Eaton CH BR is going to take over here pretty soon. The major suppliers are carrying it for their main line now, and Square D still has limited distribution as they always have. Unless you're on a buying program getting really good pricing on QO, it's definitely overpriced.

                          Speaking of that, is anyone on a BR buying program? What kind of quantity do you have to commit to?

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                            #73
                            There was only one electrical supply house in the area that carried square d. I was told that they couldn't carry other brands or square d would shut them off.
                            The supply house just closed it's doors (nothing to do with SD) they just retired.

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                              #74
                              Siemens

                              If I was putting one in my own home I would go with Siemens. It's personal taste. You can get a 40/80 with a copper bus for around 160 bucks. They come with the ground bars included in case you are putting it after a disconnect which is nice.

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by peter d View Post


                                I think Eaton CH BR is going to take over here pretty soon. The major suppliers are carrying it for their main line now, and Square D still has limited distribution as they always have. Unless you're on a buying program getting really good pricing on QO, it's definitely overpriced.

                                Speaking of that, is anyone on a BR buying program? What kind of quantity do you have to commit to?
                                Can you post pics of these new BR load centers?

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