Inspector crazy or me?

[kwired]

I say that, if the box isn't supporting the fixture, its fixture rating is not relevant. The exception need not apply because the rule doesn't.

That is my thought, but then more recently they messed with that concept when it comes to paddle fan rated boxes being required in some situations even if a paddle fan isn't going to be installed. Nothing wrong with supporting those separate from the box either - or at least never was before:slaphead:

Supporting from box may be more convenient but not an absolute must do it that way.

 

[mivey]

I'm not sure which question you are referring to. The only question I see that is related is "Is this structurally sound enough to mount a vanity sconce on". Since the question was not answered by the manufacturer but instead by a bunch of random people I don't take the answers as authoritative.

Agree.

 

[mivey]

https://carlonsales.com/techinfo/faqs/FAQ-ZipBoxes.pdf

Last page - 6lbs. and acceptable for wall mounted fixtures.

There ya go.

 

[oldsparky52]

At one time didn't the NEC require light fixtures to be supported with 8-32 screws at a minimum?

 

[Dennis Alwon]

I assume they are furring out the wall. How far will that be. An octagon box on the block may work If sheetrock is being glued to the block the a pancake box would work

 

[ptonsparky]

At one time didn't the NEC require light fixtures to be supported with 8-32 screws at a minimum?

I believe so and IDR when they added the 6-32 and 6# rule.

How many any of us weigh those fixtures?

 

[growler]

Inspector's comment: "the vanity box is not rated for fixtures"

Did he fail the inspection or did he just make a comment ?

He failed the inspection.

I agree that I probably wouldn't use a plastic switch box for a sconce vanity light because people tend to buy the biggest gaudiest piece of crap they can find for the vanity ( with three heads ).

But how does the inspector know that you are not going to use a bar light in which case this would be just as good as any other.

Many times on new construction there will not be any box mounted for rough-in inspection because the exact center of the vanity is unknown. So there is just a little extra cable left in the wall and then an old works box box and a bar light used.

 

[mivey]

I agree that I probably wouldn't use a plastic switch box for a sconce vanity light because people tend to buy the biggest gaudiest piece of crap they can find for the vanity ( with three heads ).

But how does the inspector know that you are not going to use a bar light in which case this would be just as good as any other.

Many times on new construction there will not be any box mounted for rough-in inspection because the exact center of the vanity is unknown. So there is just a little extra cable left in the wall and then an old works box box and a bar light used.

So true, so true.

 

[kwired]

I believe so and IDR when they added the 6-32 and 6# rule.

How many any of us weigh those fixtures?

Cheap fixtures from big box stores are not that heavy.

Many quality fixtures aren't really that heavy these days either - they aren't the quality they were years ago though.

 

[Coppersmith]

Ok. So I have the answer. The fixture to be installed is 4.5 lbs. The new inspection is tomorrow. The GC will be escorting the inspector and I have armed him with the appropriate code section. Now I'm expecting him to say "how do I know they won't put a heavier one on later". I told the GC to remind the inspector he can only base his inspection on what we do, not what we could do.

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[Chamuit]

Ok. So I have the answer. The fixture to be installed is 4.5 lbs. The new inspection is tomorrow. The GC will be escorting the inspector and I have armed him with the appropriate code section. Now I'm expecting him to say "how do I know they won't put a heavier one on later". I told the GC to remind the inspector he can only base his inspection on what we do, not what we could do.

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How'd it go?

 

[Coppersmith]

How'd it go?

Inspection passed. I asked the GC if the inspector made any comment. The inspector said "I know the code". My comment: "if that were true he would have passed it the first time".

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