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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
    That I get, but how long can the fixture wire be?
    See 240.5(B)(2).
    Only 16 and 18 AWG have length limitations, they all have overcurrent protection limitations - they all still need ampacity to handle the load.

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  • electrofelon
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    Originally posted by kwired View Post
    The tap conductor begins wherever the conductor ampacity becomes less than the overcurrent protection.

    How long can that tap be, varies sometimes. I think you can have taps run up from the base of a 100 foot light pole in some instances.
    That I get, but how long can the fixture wire be?

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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
    Couldnt we go down to 18 per 240.5(B)(2)? I am just not clear on where the fixture wire begins and the branch circuit ends.
    The tap conductor begins wherever the conductor ampacity becomes less than the overcurrent protection.

    How long can that tap be, varies sometimes. I think you can have taps run up from the base of a 100 foot light pole in some instances.

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  • roger
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    Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
    Couldnt we go down to 18 per 240.5(B)(2)? I am just not clear on where the fixture wire begins and the branch circuit ends.
    210.19(A)(4) would be the applicable section, 240(B)(2) would be for "fixture wire" not single conductors used as pigtails inside a box.

    Roger

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  • LouisianaApprentice
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    Originally posted by Little Bill View Post
    Must be some cheap knock-offs if the connectors are cracking/drying. I've never seen a quality connector such as Wago, GB, or Ideal Push-in connectors fail by drying out or cracking. With that logic, a plastic wirenut would do the same. Just use quality connectors. The connectors in a Halo can appear to be Wago brand. There are probably some cheap brand lights (not listed) with cheap connectors out there. Use your own judgement on these.

    To the OP:
    The only time you should be working on a live circuit in lighting is with the required disconnects in fluorescent lighting (for example).
    I don't understand your question ..."What size pigtails do you use on Exit Signs"
    As Roger said, it depends on the wire size you're using to wire the lights.
    Normally we run #12 to them but my boss has me using 12 in the sign and its hard to duct the wires out of the way inside. I figured u could go down to at least 14 maybe even 16 as the pigtails they provide are like 18

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  • LouisianaApprentice
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    Originally posted by ptonsparky View Post
    Where are you using these quick connects that they fail so rapidly? Sounds like they are not being applied properly.
    The quick connects that come with fixtures and some pole lights. Its more of a problem with pole lights but as a ballast fails it puts out a good bit of heat. The quick connects are trapped with it under a belly pan or in a pole light in a small enclosure wirh no ventilation this cooks em and makes em brittle but ive been told the quick connects are supposed to be used. I just didnt know if i could trust the connection they make i wanted a general concensus as i have a few times worked on a layin fixture and the only problem was a bad connection.

    Sometimes u cant avoud working on a live circuit.

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  • electrofelon
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    Originally posted by roger View Post
    You are correct, we could go down to a #14.

    Roger
    Couldnt we go down to 18 per 240.5(B)(2)? I am just not clear on where the fixture wire begins and the branch circuit ends.

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  • nickelec
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    Originally posted by roger View Post
    You are correct, we could go down to a #14.

    Roger
    Not In NYC!

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

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  • roger
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    Originally posted by electrofelon View Post
    Can't one use the lighting tap rules for a reduced size pigtail for a single fixture?
    You are correct, we could go down to a #14.

    Roger

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  • electrofelon
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    Originally posted by roger View Post
    Why are you working on a live circuit?

    [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Verdana]It should be the same size as the branch circuit.

    Roger
    Can't one use the lighting tap rules for a reduced size pigtail for a single fixture?

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  • Little Bill
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    Must be some cheap knock-offs if the connectors are cracking/drying. I've never seen a quality connector such as Wago, GB, or Ideal Push-in connectors fail by drying out or cracking. With that logic, a plastic wirenut would do the same. Just use quality connectors. The connectors in a Halo can appear to be Wago brand. There are probably some cheap brand lights (not listed) with cheap connectors out there. Use your own judgement on these.

    To the OP:
    The only time you should be working on a live circuit in lighting is with the required disconnects in fluorescent lighting (for example).
    I don't understand your question ..."What size pigtails do you use on Exit Signs"
    As Roger said, it depends on the wire size you're using to wire the lights.

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  • nickelec
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    I don't use them , even in high hats I cut them out and wirenut everything together, for receptacles I never put 4 wires on the. I always pigtail

    Sent from my SM-G965U using Tapatalk

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  • roger
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    Originally posted by LouisianaApprentice View Post
    I didnt know if this would hurt the longevity of any of em. I hate quick connects anyways the plastic gets brittle quick from the heat and dry rots then crumbles on you while youre trying to disconnect a live circuit.
    Why are you working on a live circuit?

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    Originally posted by LouisianaApprentice View Post
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    Originally posted by LouisianaApprentice View Post
    Also on a side note what size pig tails do most people use on exit signs.
    It should be the same size as the branch circuit.

    Roger

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  • ptonsparky
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    Originally posted by LouisianaApprentice View Post
    I didnt know if this would hurt the longevity of any of em. I hate quick connects anyways the plastic gets brittle quick from the heat and dry rots then crumbles on you while youre trying to disconnect a live circuit.

    Also on a side note what size pig tails do most people use on exit signs.
    Where are you using these quick connects that they fail so rapidly? Sounds like they are not being applied properly.

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  • Do u ever pigtail lights or just use quick connects

    I didnt know if this would hurt the longevity of any of em. I hate quick connects anyways the plastic gets brittle quick from the heat and dry rots then crumbles on you while youre trying to disconnect a live circuit.

    Also on a side note what size pig tails do most people use on exit signs.
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