"do not connect to AFCI protected circuit"

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tadavidson

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I was reading the supplied "installation manual" with a 120v Chandelier lift. It states: "do not connect motor to AFCI protected circuit".
It is to be installed in a "residential dwelling".
The code's position:
"210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arcfault
circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required
in 210.12(A) (B), and (C). The arc-fault circuit interrupter
shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and
20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed
in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining
rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms,
sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas,
or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by any of
the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (6): "

What a poor boy like me to do?
 
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tadavidson said:
I was reading the supplied "installation manual" with a 120v Chandelier lift. It states: "do not connect motor to AFCI protected circuit".
It is to be installed in a "residential dwelling".
The code's position:
"210.12 Arc-Fault Circuit-Interrupter Protection. Arcfault
circuit-interrupter protection shall be provided as required
in 210.12(A) (B), and (C). The arc-fault circuit interrupter
shall be installed in a readily accessible location.
(A) Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single-phase, 15- and
20-ampere branch circuits supplying outlets or devices installed
in dwelling unit kitchens, family rooms, dining
rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms,
sunrooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways, laundry areas,
or similar rooms or areas shall be protected by any of
the means described in 210.12(A)(1) through (6): "

What a poor boy like me to do?
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Tell who ever is purchasing the unit that they need to return it and get their money back. I have run into this type of situation with commercial kitchen equipment that included the "do not connect to a GFCI protected circuit" disclaimer, whenever they are told they will not get the sale they usually cave. The problem is the manufacturers to fix, not the code(s).

Roger
 
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roger said:
Tell who ever is purchasing the unit that they need to return it and get their money back. The problem is the manufacturers to fix, not the code(s).

Roger
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^^^^^^^
Seriously this

To the OP: It's not your responsibility to accommodate equipment that requires code to be violated in order to be installed.
 
480sparky

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GoldDigger said:
It is not a 15 or 20 amp circuit, so why is it covered?
The idea is not to tap it off a breaker at all. Or run the fused disconnect from a 25 or 30 circuit.
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Use of fuse or breaker is not relevant.

Do the instruction require a 15 or 20 amp circuit? Would using a 10a circuit (yea, you can get 10a breakers) violate 210.23(B)(2)?
 
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480sparky said:
Use of fuse or breaker is not relevant.

Do the instruction require a 15 or 20 amp circuit? Would using a 10a circuit (yea, you can get 10a breakers) violate 210.23(B)(2)?
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I did not think that 10A breakers were readily available for residential type panelboards.
 
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tadavidson

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480sparky said:
Use of fuse or breaker is not relevant.

Do the instruction require a 15 or 20 amp circuit? Would using a 10a circuit (yea, you can get 10a breakers) violate 210.23(B)(2)?
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They actually say a #12 conductor for the motor. Amp rating wasn't mentioned.
 
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