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    #31
    put a tag on the abandoned piece of metal in the ground stating it is no longer associated with the nearby structure so the inspector will know that it does not need to be considered as a GE for that structure.
    Bob

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      #32
      Seriously, you are still on the ground rods. The code requires 2 at most so why continue with this. A well pipe is the best electrode (when they were metal) but we don't have to use that...
      They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
      She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
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        #33
        Originally posted by ggunn View Post
        I would argue that connecting it to a grounding electrode system is what makes it a ground rod. Otherwise it's just a piece of metal stuck in the ground.
        I agree. In service it is an electrode. Abandoned it is buried trash.
        BB+/BB=?

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          #34
          Originally posted by infinity View Post
          . . . they changed to code wording a few cycles back to the word present to make it clearer.
          No they didn't.
          Master Electrician
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          Richmond, VA

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            #35
            Originally posted by ggunn View Post
            Present where? How close does an abandoned piece of metal that used to be a ground rod need to be to a service to necessitate its bonding to the GES? 6 feet? 20 feet ? 1/4 mile?
            When inspector asks if you removed the old ground rod(s) I guess you hand him a shovel so he can search for his answer. After all you could lie and say you did.
            I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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              #36
              Originally posted by kwired View Post
              When inspector asks if you removed the old ground rod(s) I guess you hand him a shovel so he can search for his answer. After all you could lie and say you did.
              And the inspectors I deal with would hand it back and say call me when you have excavated a 20' wide area around the building and BTW, there will be a re-inspection fee.

              In reality I don't think an inspector would give a second thought to the abandoned rod(s).

              Roger
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                #37
                Originally posted by roger View Post
                In reality I don't think an inspector would give a second thought to the abandoned rod(s).

                Roger
                I agree, although by the wording of the NEC they could.
                Rob

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                All responses based on the 2014 NEC unless otherwise noted

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by infinity View Post
                  I agree, although by the wording of the NEC they could.
                  And as far as I'm concerned, inspector can dig that 20' all around the building if he is concerned there may be a rod that isn't being used, plain ridiculous to make such a request, my handing him a shovel was sarcasm for if you find one I suppose I will connect it. Meanwhile me and the rest of crew, maybe even other tradesmen will get a big cooler of beer and sit and watch you look for said rod(s).
                  I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by kwired View Post
                    And as far as I'm concerned, inspector can dig that 20' all around the building if he is concerned there may be a rod that isn't being used, plain ridiculous to make such a request, my handing him a shovel was sarcasm for if you find one I suppose I will connect it. Meanwhile me and the rest of crew, maybe even other tradesmen will get a big cooler of beer and sit and watch you look for said rod(s).
                    I don't know how it works where you are but most places the inspector will withhold a final (meaning C.O.) or even have the POCO remove the meter if an EC gets to high up on his horse, even if they offered him a beer.

                    Roger
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by roger View Post
                      I don't know how it works where you are but most places the inspector will withhold a final (meaning C.O.) or even have the POCO remove the meter if an EC gets to high up on his horse, even if they offered him a beer.

                      Roger
                      I don't see how that could even be possible.

                      Especially if there was no Code violation to back up those type of actions.


                      JAP>

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by jap View Post
                        I don't see how that could even be possible.

                        Especially if there was no Code violation to back up those type of actions.


                        JAP>
                        In case it's not obvious, the conversation at hand is pretty absurd and many posts have reflected that but, if an inspector required proof of something (not this) he/she can rightfully do so and if the EC or whover refused to accommodate them they can certainly hold up a project or maybe have a meter removed.

                        Many projects I have been involved with required us to open boxes, carry ladders, open ceiling tiles, provide grounding test reports, etc....

                        Roger
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                          #42
                          Originally posted by roger View Post
                          In case it's not obvious, the conversation at hand is pretty absurd and many posts have reflected that but...

                          Roger

                          Amen to that--
                          They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
                          She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
                          I can't help it if I'm lucky


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                            #43
                            Originally posted by roger View Post
                            In case it's not obvious, the conversation at hand is pretty absurd and many posts have reflected that but, if an inspector required proof of something (not this) he/she can rightfully do so and if the EC or whover refused to accommodate them they can certainly hold up a project or maybe have a meter removed.

                            Many projects I have been involved with required us to open boxes, carry ladders, open ceiling tiles, provide grounding test reports, etc....

                            Roger
                            I have no problem with opening boxes and such. Should some inspector requesting to dig up 20 feet perimeter of a building for the purpose mentioned... I honestly don't know what my response may be, I'd probably sit there dumbfounded for a few seconds at very least.
                            I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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                              #44
                              Originally posted by infinity View Post
                              Good question that no one can answer and they changed to code wording a few cycles back to the word present to make it clearer.
                              Oh, well, that cleared it right up, didn't it?

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                                #45
                                Originally posted by kwired View Post
                                ... Should some inspector requesting to dig up 20 feet perimeter of a building for the purpose mentioned... I honestly don't know what my response may be, I'd probably sit there dumbfounded for a few seconds at very least.
                                Saying that you need it in writing on the form would likely help.

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