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  • hbiss
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    Responding to Tortuga.

    He needs to read what GoldDigger said:

    Originally posted by GoldDigger View Post
    There is also an argument that if you put just the 16TFN twisted pair inside a jacket that would allow it to be used without a raceway as an NM family product, that can then be pulled into a raceway along with the individual THHN wires, making the result in conduit comparable in principle to luminary cable. But without a combined listing some (or most?) AHJs may not allow it.
    No doubt whatever in my mind that just pulling the combination into a raceway, regardless of how it was reeled, does not comply unless the control circuit can be (and is) reclassified to Class 1.
    If the reclassification can be done, then the bundle you would supply on one reel could be practical.
    -Hal

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  • infinity
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    Originally posted by hbiss View Post
    NO!

    -Hal
    Who are you responding to?

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  • hbiss
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    NO!

    -Hal

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  • tortuga
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    Originally posted by onewaymj View Post
    Sourcery LLC is a UL certified wire processing facility. I'm being asked to parallel power and control on a reel to be used as Luminary Cable that will be installed in conduit.

    10 THHN STR Black
    10 THHN STR Red
    10 THHN STR Green
    16 TFN Purple / Gray Twisted

    Will this meet code? We have many contractors asking for this product.

    Thank you.
    You mean TFFN like this:

    https://www.mysouthwire.com/medias/s...4083469342.pdf

    Sounds fine to me, except I would use 'TFFN' to keep everything 90C rated.

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  • jap
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    Originally posted by hbiss View Post
    OP should look into that. Would be a moneymaker for sure.

    -Hal


    Irrellevant to the discussion.


    JAP>

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  • infinity
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    Originally posted by jap View Post
    Not that it's a code thing, but, most LED fixtures with 0-10v dimming ballasts are 120v.

    Meaning a grounded conductor is required.

    Most times that would require a defined grounded conductor color such as white, gray.

    I'd be sure double check the color scheme with them before I produced too much of this awkward combination of colors.




    JAP>
    Originally posted by jap View Post
    Yes.

    Just odd there wasn't a neutral color conductor mentioned.

    Jap>
    I agree, whether it's a 120 or 277 volt system either one would require a neutral conductor so one conductor would need to identified as a neutral. It would be less likely that the circuits are 240 or 208 volts and not requiring a neutral.

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  • hbiss
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    Originally posted by jap View Post
    Yes.

    Just odd there wasn't a neutral color conductor mentioned.

    Jap>
    Irrelevant to this discussion.

    -Hal

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  • jap
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    Originally posted by ActionDave View Post
    Most are multi voltage compatible up to 277V, maybe more if they are sold in Canada.
    Yes.

    Just odd there wasn't a neutral color conductor mentioned.

    Jap>

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  • hbiss
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    Originally posted by jap View Post
    Not that it's a code thing, but, most LED fixtures with 0-10v dimming ballasts are 120v.

    Meaning a grounded conductor is required.

    Most times that would require a defined grounded conductor color such as white, gray.

    I'd be sure double check the color scheme with them before I produced too much of this awkward combination of colors.


    JAP>
    I think the OP was just giving us an example of request he received from a contractor. Everything they do is custom and it's up to the customer as to how they use it.

    -Hal

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  • ActionDave
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    Originally posted by jap View Post
    Not that it's a code thing, but, most LED fixtures with 0-10v dimming ballasts are 120v.
    Most are multi voltage compatible up to 277V, maybe more if they are sold in Canada.

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  • jap
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    Originally posted by onewaymj View Post
    Sourcery LLC is a UL certified wire processing facility. I'm being asked to parallel power and control on a reel to be used as Luminary Cable that will be installed in conduit.

    10 THHN STR Black
    10 THHN STR Red
    10 THHN STR Green

    16 TFN Purple / Gray Twisted

    Will this meet code? We have many contractors asking for this product.

    Thank you.

    Not that it's a code thing, but, most LED fixtures with 0-10v dimming ballasts are 120v.

    Meaning a grounded conductor is required.

    Most times that would require a defined grounded conductor color such as white, gray.

    I'd be sure double check the color scheme with them before I produced too much of this awkward combination of colors.




    JAP>

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  • hbiss
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    Originally posted by GoldDigger View Post
    There is also an argument that if you put just the 16TFN twisted pair inside a jacket that would allow it to be used without a raceway as an NM family product, that can then be pulled into a raceway along with the individual THHN wires, making the result in conduit comparable in principle to luminary cable. But without a combined listing some (or most?) AHJs may not allow it.
    OP should look into that. Would be a moneymaker for sure.

    -Hal

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  • hbiss
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    Originally posted by infinity View Post
    Is this product similar to Anixter’s Speepull or Quik-Pull? We use Quik-pull products quite often and custom order any configuration that we need.
    Sure, done that too. As long as you use all the conductors as allowed by Code. If you use a couple for a CL2 circuit that would be a violation.

    -Hal

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  • infinity
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    Is this product similar to Anixter’s Speepull or Quik-Pull? We use Quik-pull products quite often and custom order any configuration that we need.

    https://www.anixter.com/en_us/servic...speedpull.html

    https://www.quik-pull.com/

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  • GoldDigger
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    There is also an argument that if you put just the 16TFN twisted pair inside a jacket that would allow it to be used without a raceway as an NM family product, that can then be pulled into a raceway along with the individual THHN wires, making the result in conduit comparable in principle to luminary cable. But without a combined listing some (or most?) AHJs may not allow it.
    No doubt whatever in my mind that just pulling the combination into a raceway, regardless of how it was reeled, does not comply unless the control circuit can be (and is) reclassified to Class 1.
    If the reclassification can be done, then the bundle you would supply on one reel could be practical.

    Leave a comment:

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