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    Official meaning of "radio" in NEC 810.1 , most applicable article for Flightradar24

    Received a request in a volunteer organization to install a Flightradar24 receiving station. "Supervisor" (to the extent such exists in a volunteer organization) feels equipment, including cables and connectors, provided by Flightradar24 are sufficient, but it's not clear from Flightradar24's description if grounding provisions will be sufficient.

    This will be installed in an office with 2 outdoor antennas, GPS receiver and a Mode 2 receiver which is about 1000 MHz. It seems to me this would be "radio and television receiving equipment" as mentioned in 810.1, but the supervisor may argue that phrase only refers to broadcast receivers such as used to receive baseball games and "reality" shows. Does anyone know if there is some official or quasi-official document clarifying the definition of this phrase?

    Do forum contributors agree that 810 Part II (Receiving Equipment -- Antenna Systems) is the most applicable article and part for this kind of equipment?

    My background, for deciding what details to mention in responses: electrical PE with background in computers and electronics, amateur radio extra class license.

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    Originally posted by Geber View Post
    Received a request in a volunteer organization to install a Flightradar24 receiving station. "Supervisor" (to the extent such exists in a volunteer organization) feels equipment, including cables and connectors, provided by Flightradar24 are sufficient, but it's not clear from Flightradar24's description if grounding provisions will be sufficient.

    This will be installed in an office with 2 outdoor antennas, GPS receiver and a Mode 2 receiver which is about 1000 MHz. It seems to me this would be "radio and television receiving equipment" as mentioned in 810.1, but the supervisor may argue that phrase only refers to broadcast receivers such as used to receive baseball games and "reality" shows. Does anyone know if there is some official or quasi-official document clarifying the definition of this phrase?

    Do forum contributors agree that 810 Part II (Receiving Equipment -- Antenna Systems) is the most applicable article and part for this kind of equipment?

    My background, for deciding what details to mention in responses: electrical PE with background in computers and electronics, amateur radio extra class license.
    I am also an Extra. I have been licensed for 25 years. My 'anniversary' was July 16.

    810.1 Scope is easy to understand. It does apply to the devices IF the NEC has been enacted as law. If it has, a quick call to the local AHJ will put an end to the argument. IF the NEC has not been adopted, fall back on your training and experience. 810.1 does apply. There is no need for an NEC definition of radio.

    I looked at this on their website and beside the receiving unit, the unit also transmits data via the Internet. That means there must be some other form of connection back to the real world that would have us rooting through other chapters of the NEC.

    The bottom line, follow the manufacturer's instruction. Don't cut corners. This seems to be rather new technology and until others have done some experimenting I would install it by the book unless there were serious safety issues.
    Cheers and Stay Safe,

    Marky the Sparky

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      #3
      "Calling CQ".....


      Jap>

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        #4
        Originally posted by jap View Post
        "Calling CQ".....


        Jap>
        QRZ de K8MHZ
        Cheers and Stay Safe,

        Marky the Sparky

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          #5
          I could tell ya, but then everyone would know where I live and would probable come throw rocks at me for some of my not so NEC proven comments I make sometimes.


          JAP>

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            #6
            Originally posted by jap View Post
            I could tell ya, but then everyone would know where I live and would probable come throw rocks at me for some of my not so NEC proven comments I make sometimes.


            JAP>
            Cheers and Stay Safe,

            Marky the Sparky

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              #7
              Originally posted by K8MHZ View Post


              So I guess,,,, "No traffic", over...

              JAP>

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                #8
                Internet aspects

                The Flightradio24 receiver has an ethernet jack and so does the room where it is to be placed. Connecting a device with an outdoor connection does increase the risk of lightning damage to the cable modem and wifi router; most computer gear in the building is wifi. We could get an ethernet to wifi bridge, but wifi connections are more complicated to set up and troubleshoot. They also tend to get disconnected for reasons no one ever figures out. So they don't seem ideal for an unattended 24/7 function.

                Ethernet surge protectors exist, but tend to degrade the performance of the line.

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                  #9
                  Lightning suppression needs to be dealt with as close to the outdoor devices as possible, so on the antenna leads, not on connections already in the building.

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