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    Kitchen receptacle with a full window above sink

    Hello,

    I have an odd situation where i have a full window above the sink. It doesn't have any back splash for me to put an outlet. Does this space count as a break in wall space or do i still need to provide an outlet for this space?

    #2
    The outlets are for the counter not the wall so imo you need to have receptacles installed. There are some people who say a window is not a wall so no outlet is necessary.

    We have installed silllite receptacles on the inside of the window. The picture shows it on the sill but we install them on the ends facing each other

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      #3
      Originally posted by shortcircuit1 View Post
      Hello,

      I have an odd situation where i have a full window above the sink. It doesn't have any back splash for me to put an outlet. Does this space count as a break in wall space or do i still need to provide an outlet for this space?
      The sink itself counts as a break in the required receptacle spacing, so, unless there is 12" or more counter depth between the sink and the window, your 24" measurement starts at each side of the sink.
      Master Electrician
      Electrical Contractor
      Richmond, VA

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        #4
        So they are allowed to be face up on a sill? I guess that's fine if you never open the window or water a plant.

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          #5
          Originally posted by LarryFine View Post

          The sink itself counts as a break in the required receptacle spacing, so, unless there is 12" or more counter depth between the sink and the window, your 24" measurement starts at each side of the sink.
          I agree, the area behind the sink doesn't count as wall space even where there is a wall there when less than 12".
          Rob

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          All responses based on the 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted

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            #6
            It's a break no outlet needed,
            what happened to the like button?

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              #7
              Originally posted by LarryFine View Post

              The sink itself counts as a break in the required receptacle spacing, so, unless there is 12" or more counter depth between the sink and the window, your 24" measurement starts at each side of the sink.
              I assumed the op knew that ...Maybe not
              They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
              She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
              I can't help it if I'm lucky

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                #8
                Originally posted by sameguy View Post
                It's a break no outlet needed,
                what happened to the like button?
                Its a break but you still need a outlet with in 2' of the edge of the sink.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dennis Alwon View Post

                  I assumed the op knew that ...Maybe not
                  The distance is less than 12" so its a break but i still need a outlet with in 2' though.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by LarryFine View Post

                    The sink itself counts as a break in the required receptacle spacing, so, unless there is 12" or more counter depth between the sink and the window, your 24" measurement starts at each side of the sink.
                    Problem is i need to put an outlet with in 2' of the edge of the sink as distance was less than 12". That 2' falls where the window is.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by shortcircuit1 View Post

                      Problem is i need to put an outlet with in 2' of the edge of the sink as distance was less than 12". That 2' falls where the window is.
                      Dare I assume that the window is wider than the sink?

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                        #12
                        What about those pop up outlets?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by shortcircuit1 View Post

                          Problem is i need to put an outlet with in 2' of the edge of the sink as distance was less than 12". That 2' falls where the window is.
                          An alternative is a receptacle on the lower cabinet face.
                          Master Electrician
                          Electrical Contractor
                          Richmond, VA

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by LarryFine View Post

                            An alternative is a receptacle on the lower cabinet face.
                            Larry take a look at 210.52(C)(5). The exception allows receptacle below the countertop but only for islands and peninsulas
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by shortcircuit1 View Post
                              Hello,

                              I have an odd situation where i have a full window above the sink. It doesn't have any back splash for me to put an outlet. Does this space count as a break in wall space or do i still need to provide an outlet for this space?
                              Ok, how wide is the window and how wide is the sink?

                              -Hal

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