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    No more PDF verison of the NEC for sale from NFPA

    Starting with the 2020 NEC the NFPA will no longer be offering a PDF version. If you want an electronic version you will need to by an annual license for $200 and have an internet connection wherever you need to access the NEC. If you are an NFPA member and like the PDF version feel free to contact them and complain.

    #2
    Non-members should complain as well.

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      #3
      Yeah we discussed this a few weeks ago. If you wait I'm sure that you'll be able to buy a bootleg .PDF copy on the internet when they come out. This is utterly ridiculous, quite often I don't have internet access but need to read the code. I've legally purchased .PDF's in the past and would do so again if it were available (which they are not), and they wonder why people pirate their stuff.

      Anyone have a link to a place where we can complain?
      Rob

      Moderator

      All responses based on the 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted

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        #4
        I purchased the electronic version of the NFPA NEC Handbook for five cycles of the Code which all included a PDF somewhere on the disc. The problem with the NFPA is they absolutely don't support the use of their Handbook software across operating system upgrades and versions. In all too short a time, the Handbook content was bricked. And then they began digital copyright management crippling of access. All in all, highly unsatisfactory.

        In buying a paper Handbook, (or NEC) I have reading and searching rights till the paper disintegrates. My cognitive dissonance on this is extreme !
        Another Al in Minnesota

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          #5
          I'm sure that someone will buy the loose leaf version, run it through a scanner, and create a .pdf.
          Rob

          Moderator

          All responses based on the 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted

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            #6
            Originally posted by infinity View Post
            I'm sure that someone will buy the loose leaf version, run it through a scanner, and create a .pdf.
            Yeah, I have one or two years on a computer like that.
            The only bad thing about scanning to a .pdf is it isn’t searchable.

            thats what I love about the NEC .pdf

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              #7
              Originally posted by Hv&Lv View Post

              Yeah, I have one or two years on a computer like that.
              The only bad thing about scanning to a .pdf is it isn’t searchable.

              thats what I love about the NEC .pdf
              It is with the right scanning software that has OCR built into it.

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                #8
                Originally posted by 480sparky View Post

                It is with the right scanning software that has OCR built into it.
                My "software" has OCD built into it.
                Master Electrician
                Electrical Contractor
                Richmond, VA

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                  #9
                  At least the annual subscription is only $65.
                  https://catalog.nfpa.org/NEC-2020-Di...aspx?icid=D533

                  I think it's nice that they give "free access" which is kind of clunky for reading large sections but very useful when I am at home and need to look something up quickly if I know where it is. What gets me is that once you actually pay for their product, their licenses are so restricted, e.g. no printing from the secure PDF, etc., when at the same time anyone can look at it free online.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by infinity View Post
                    Anyone have a link to a place where we can complain?
                    https://www.nfpa.org/Customer-Support

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by infinity View Post
                      I'm sure that someone will buy the loose leaf version, run it through a scanner, and create a .pdf.
                      Yeah, but I have never seen a copied file that can search.
                      They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
                      She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
                      I can't help it if I'm lucky

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                        #12
                        well, from my point of view, the NFPA has a marketing arm that is about
                        as fugly as adobe.

                        speaking of which, my copy of acrobat pro, which retailed for $800,
                        and i got on sale 5 years ago for $400, quit working with the latest
                        OSX version, catalina.

                        it couldn't hang with 64 bit. i was more than a bit miffed, as i absolutely
                        find acrobat pro indispensable in my work. so, with much profanity, i signed
                        up for $15 a month, forever, to use software i already paid for.

                        however, upon looking at the new version...... my printer has a dual side
                        scanner that adobe will control, and scan, and create a searchable .pdf
                        of anything i feed into it. the new version is pretty powerful, and will do
                        stuff my old version would not do.

                        and i use a legally purchased .pdf of the current code, as it's searchable
                        on a pad.

                        and if someone had to buy a loose bound copy of the code to make their own .pdf,
                        so they can search it on their pad, well, the technology is certainly there.

                        acrobat pro also has the ability to strip out metadata from a .pdf, so you
                        cannot see who, or what authored the .pdf...... for those unaware, embedded
                        metadata in a .pdf header can show the creator of the document.

                        not that i would ever consider doing anything illegal, or encouraging anyone
                        else to do anything illegal, but i strongly suspect that .pdf copies of the NEC
                        will propagate in the wild, should NFPA decide not to provide them for sale.

                        actually, strongly suspect is a little weak. i'd call it a certainty. and something
                        that can be sent in 40 seconds attached to an email, to 200 people, should
                        convince the NFPA that selling a reasonably priced copy of the .pdf means
                        that honest people will have a chance to remain honest.

                        so, the appeal would go like this:

                        "Please, dear NFPA, don't deprive us of one of the few remaining opportunities
                        in America to be honest, and pay for something of value we receive. For if
                        you deprive us of the opportunity to be honest, the opportunity will not be offered
                        again to you."
                        Last edited by Fulthrotl; 10-11-19, 11:19 AM.
                        ~New signature under construction.~
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                          #13
                          I'm renewing my license for two more years and will not by a 2020 period, My 2017 will finish me.

                          Roger
                          Moderator

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                            #14
                            If the NFPA thinks not selling the PDF version is going to drive people to the online version I think they have a surprise coming. For one thing, I've been an NFPA member for a long time and I am reconsidering if I want to renew this year. Outside of a lot of junk mail they send they don't do much for me, without the PDF version they do even less.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by pv_n00b View Post
                              If the NFPA thinks not selling the PDF version is going to drive people to the online version I think they have a surprise coming. For one thing, I've been an NFPA member for a long time and I am reconsidering if I want to renew this year. Outside of a lot of junk mail they send they don't do much for me, without the PDF version they do even less.
                              I quit after one year because of all the junk mail. I couldn't believe how much junk I got.
                              They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy
                              She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me
                              I can't help it if I'm lucky

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