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    Read Before Posting: Forum Rules / Treatment of New Members

    This site is designed for:
    [LIST][*]Electrical Contractors[*]Electricians[*]Engineers[*]Inspectors[*]Instructors[*]Other electrically related individuals[/LIST]
    * This NEC� Forum is for those in the electrical and related industries. Questions of a "How-To" nature by persons not involved in the electrical industry will be removed without notice.

    Knowledge and the practical application of the National Electrical Code is an essential part of all electrical installations. If it's important for you to understand the National Electrical Code, then look no further.

    Rules, Policies, and Disclaimers

    [COLOR=maroon]No information gathered from this web site shall be treated as being the opinion of an 'expert witness, and you do not have anyone's permission to present such information as evidence in any type of legal dispute.[/COLOR]

    Considering the real-time nature of this forum, it is impossible for us to review messages or confirm the validity of information posted. Please remember that we do not actively monitor the contents of and are not responsible for any messages posted. We do not vouch for or warrant the accuracy, completeness or usefulness of any message, and are not responsible for the contents of any message. The messages express the views of the author of the message, not necessarily the views of this forum or any entity associated with this forum. Any user who feels that a posted message is objectionable is encouraged to contact us immediately by email. We have the ability to remove objectionable messages and we will make every effort to do so, within a reasonable time frame, if we determine that removal is necessary. This is a manual process, however, so please realize that we may not be able to remove or edit particular messages immediately.

    You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this forum to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, sexually oriented, threatening, invasive of a person's privacy, or otherwise violate any law. You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless the copyright is owned by you or by this forum.

    Although this forum does not and cannot review the messages posted and is not responsible for the content of any of these messages, we at this forum reserve the right to delete any message for any or no reason whatsoever. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this forum, Mike Holt Enterprises, (the owner of this bulletin board), and their agents with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s).

    We at this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or whatever information we know about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any message posted by you.

    [COLOR=maroon]Please note that advertisements, chain letters, pyramid schemes, and solicitations are inappropriate on this forum.[/COLOR]

    It should be noted that any comments made in this forum are personal opinions and represent personal responses as requested. Any opinion must not be considered as a Formal Interpretation of the NEC� and is not to be considered as an official position of Mike Holt, Mike Holt Enterprises, Inc., the NFPA, the NEC� Technical Correlating Committee, any of its Code Making Panels, or any other company or organization.

    Installers, contractors and electricians are to comply with local laws and ordinances, including permits and inspections where required. This forum is for Contractors, Electricians, Engineers, Inspectors, Instructors and other electrically related individuals. It is not a site for do-it -yourselfers.
    Last edited by Dennis Alwon; 10-01-18, 06:24 AM.

    Treatment of New Members

    To all forum members, I am formally requesting that you no longer publicly question new members qualifications for posting here.

    Keep in mind that all new member posts have already been approved by a forum moderator before they show up on the forum.

    If you feel a new member is over their head please exercise one of two options.

    1) Notify one of the Moderators, I suggest you send a PM to one of us with a description of the problem you see with a post. We will gladly discuss it with you.

    2) Do nothing, ignore the post and move on.

    The reasons for this should be self evident, we are going to chase away new members if they feel they have to justify their qualifications with the entire membership at large.

    Not to mention many times it is just plain rude.

    2007 Chief Moderator Mike Holt Forum
    Last edited by iwire; 02-04-08, 03:25 PM.


      Question: shouldn't everyone just hit the button on the questionable post, as opposed to picking a moderator and PM'ing?


        Originally posted by georgestolz
        Question: shouldn't everyone just hit the button on the questionable post, as opposed to picking a moderator and PM'ing?
        Either way, I check my PMs more often then my emails.


          A Friendly Reminder (relocated copy)

          Members, I don't want to seem like a prude but I think a reminder once in a while is needed.

          The person who pays the bills here is a religious man and one that does not appreciate off color language, so please keep that in mind when posting.

          No bathroom jokes, no sexist comments, no "WTF"s, no slipping a couple of 'Xs' into a word to 'hide it'.....

          'When the Shxx hits the fan'

          We all still know what it says, please find a better way to express yourself.

          Keep it entirely G rated.

          I once asked the members to post here like they would talk to their Mom.....a member quickly pointed out his mother had heard it all...

          So I guess I should ask you to post like your talking to Mike H. directly.

          This is not a construction site, lets not act like it is.

          Thanks, Bob.
          Last edited by George Stolz; 12-26-07, 12:03 AM. Reason: Just to call attention to the fact that I brought a copy of this post to this thread.


            I just received a note from Cadpoint, thought he had a good idea and figured this was probably the best spot to put it.

            Helpful tips for new members
            [LIST][*]Be sure to fully fill out your profile (found here) to include your location at the least. It helps other members out when trying to answer a question, if they know what part of the country (or world) you're from.[*]Try to keep signatures short. Long signatures add to the clutter.[*]Please do not post with your CAPS LOCK on, it's seen as shouting. Try to observe other etiquette, outlined here.[*]If you just joined and post a comment, bear in mind a flesh and blood moderator must approve it before you see it to weed out spam.[/LIST]
            If anybody has any other quick notes for new people, feel free to PM me with it, and I'll throw it on.

            Edit to add attachment, courtesy of 480Sparky.
            Last edited by George Stolz; 04-10-09, 09:28 PM.


              You Will Never Get A Head On A Pike Here

              Several recent threads have been started for no other reason than to make public complaints against one or more forum members. Other comments have been recently posted for no other reason than to publicly insult other members. In some cases, the complaints and insults have been directed to one or more moderators of this forum. This post is intended as an announcement, a reminder, that this type of behavior has never been acceptable, and will not be tolerated. Unprofessional behavior degrades the professional nature of this forum.

              If you have a complaint against any member of this forum, wish to dispute a thread closure or post deletion, or wish to take issue with a comment posted by any member, the correct course of action is to contact that member by means of the private messaging system. If you feel that will not do you any good, then you have another course of action: PM any moderator. The chief moderator is infinity, this year.

              You can also report a post by clicking the button at the top right corner of the post. All moderators are emailed when you report a post.

              Let us continue to keep this a free exchange of information amongst professionals in the electrical industry.

              This is not negotiable or open to discussion, so I am closing this thread.
              Last edited by George Stolz; 07-18-12, 12:29 AM. Reason: italics are edits - Rob is CM this year


                Members, a recent event has brought to light a serious issue which anyone could fall victim to, and could happen again. I feel it's necessary to state how the moderators will proceed if you should allow it to happen to you.

                The moderators cannot tell who is sitting at your keyboard when a post appears under your name. (The insidious webcam rumor is, for now, just a rumor, we promise. )

                Therefore, you should take necessary precautions to ensure that your friends, loved ones, coworkers, people that hate you, or your evil twin who only comes out when you drink, do not abuse your name on the forum. If someone posts something inappropriate using your account, you will be responsible for the consequences.

                It would be a good idea to take a second, think about if this applies to you, and act accordingly.

                George Stolz
                Chief Moderator 2009


                  Guidelines for posting picture threads.

                  Threads that incorporate a picture of an electrical installation or violation as the main object of the thread should also include a background story as well as the purpose of posting the picture.

                  Picture threads started with just a picture and no accompanying background story or with no other intent then to belittle an installer or inspector will be removed without notice.

                  NOTE: The Forum's prohibition against posting copyrighted material applies as well to the posting of photographs taken by others. Do not post photographs without the express permission of, and without giving proper credit to, the copyright holder.

                  Chris Jensen
                  Chief Moderator 2010


                    Link dump rules amended: see below.
                    Last edited by George Stolz; 01-18-13, 12:41 AM. Reason: Amended.


                      PLEASE READ: Report Posts

                      Folks, whenever I close a DIY thread I post the following statement:
                      A reminder to all members, if you see a questionable post, feel free to report it by clicking the button at the bottom left corner of the post.
                      Mike Holt's Forum recently broke a new record for number of posts in a thread - but the conclusion of that happy achievement was tainted by the fact that the thread had to be relocated due to the content of some of the posts.

                      This thread had over 2,500 posts (beating the previous record of 782 handily), and over 48,000 views, and was of such an epic quality and technical nature that it would have stood proudly as an example of what amazing people contribute to this forum.

                      Due to the overwhelming nature of the thread, it's sheer volume, it really proved to be a nightmare for moderation. The moderators would love to put it back, but trying to comb through a thread of that size to see when someone started a subtle personal attack, and begin weeding out those comments would be a onerous task. The subtle nature of the jabs, concealed in highly technical argument, made the task impossible.

                      We have lost this thread in part due to people not using the report post function attached to every post. If you feel that someone has attacked you personally, you are not supposed to respond to that attack. Report the post so that the moderators are specifically notified, and so we have a starting point before things get out of hand.

                      Right now the moderators field comments days, even weeks, after an event along the lines of "Well, he started it." That is not an acceptable defense for a personal attack on your part, and we will direct you to this thread as you lose privileges when you post inflammatory remarks.

                      Report posts - it makes it easier (and more fair) on everybody.
                      Last edited by George Stolz; 03-31-12, 04:22 PM. Reason: Corrected Previous Post Record


                        This is not a link dump. Do not post a link and not provide something substantial telling us what the link is and why we should be interested in it.

                        A link in the midst of an ongoing thread that is really really obvious is okay; a link starting a thread better have some decent meat surrounding it.

                        Hopefully this rendition is a bit easier to abide by, and easier to enforce. Consider the explanation of the link a courtesy for those of us who prefer to have some context before clicking.


                          No dead animal pictures.