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  • romex jockey
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    Originally posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    No, I am not a member of NFPA and I have written proposals. Now getting on the panels may take some pull...

    You do have to create an account- it is free then you can visit all the proposals etc.

    Go here---https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-stand...detail?code=70 choose next addition and then make sense of what is there.
    Thx Den
    So objectively ,i guess one could say it's the cycle of the toroid....



    For whatever (enter rational) reason , big (services) small (outlets) are being scrutinized and subjected to this one key element inherent of all enhanced ocpd devices.

    But it's disjointed imho, there is no overall design of coordinated ma from the service on through feeders ,branch circuits , end use outlets

    If the NEC is going to evolve towards IEC standards, one would imagine more attention to specifics follow, especially given the manufacturers writing NEC proposals hail from international companies

    jhmo

    ~RJ~
    Last edited by romex jockey; 06-28-19, 07:18 AM. Reason: can't spell....

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  • electrofelon
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    210.8 New GFCI requirements.


    1. Dryer will be required to be GFCI protected
    2. Range will be required to be GFCI protected
    3. A/C unit will be required to be GFCI protected
    4. Electric Furnace if installed in crawl space, garage, or basement and 50 amps or less will be required to be GFCI protected
    5. Water Heated if installed in crawl space, garage, or basement will be required to be GFCI protected
    6. Basement receptacles will be required to be GFCI protected (unfinished or finished)


    210.12 New AFCI Requirements


    1. All 120 volt 15 and 20 amp circuits in a dwelling unit will be required to be AFCI protected 230.67

    1. Each Dwelling unit will be required to be protected with Surge Protection 230.85


    1. Each dwelling unit will be required to have an emergency disconnect on the exterior of dwelling
    All this is backed up with incidents and statistics of course

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    Originally posted by romex jockey View Post
    So do we as tradesmen need to buy our way into the nfpa to view what's being decided for us?

    ~RJ~
    No, I am not a member of NFPA and I have written proposals. Now getting on the panels may take some pull...

    You do have to create an account- it is free then you can visit all the proposals etc.

    Go here---https://www.nfpa.org/codes-and-stand...detail?code=70 choose next addition and then make sense of what is there.

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  • romex jockey
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    So do we as tradesmen need to buy our way into the nfpa to view what's being decided for us?

    ~RJ~

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
    In two or three more Code cycles, it'll be too expensive to wire an affordable house.
    My bet is NC will amend this if it is passed

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    The argument for making all basement receptacles gfci protected was made based on the fact that being finished didn't guarantee a non conductive surface, st least by one proposal. How ridiculous. How is that different from a house on a slab---

    I better not give them any ideas.

    Don, that was my point about the receptacle being gfci not hot wired. We will see.

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  • 480sparky
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    In two or three more Code cycles, it'll be too expensive to wire an affordable house.

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  • don_resqcapt19
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    I am not aware of any specific rule that would require water heaters to have GFCI protection, unless they are cord and plug connected.

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  • don_resqcapt19
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    All of the Certified Amending Motions that passed at the technical session go back the the CMPs, and have to be approved by a 2/3s vote of the panel members, and then, it goes to the Standards Council where it has to be approved again by a 3/4s vote of the Standards Council members, so those sections are not yet final. There is also the chance of appeals to the Standards Council for CAMs that failed to get a majority vote at the technical session.

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  • ActionDave
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    Originally posted by infinity View Post
    I hate most of these.
    I agree. This is nuts.

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  • infinity
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    Originally posted by Dennis Alwon View Post
    I was told that the NEC held a final vote on the 2020 nec but I don'see it on the site. Does any know if this is true-- I got it from someone locally

    210.8 New GFCI requirements.


    1. Dryer will be required to be GFCI protected
    2. Range will be required to be GFCI protected
    3. A/C unit will be required to be GFCI protected
    4. Electric Furnace if installed in crawl space, garage, or basement and 50 amps or less will be required to be GFCI protected
    5. Water Heated if installed in crawl space, garage, or basement will be required to be GFCI protected
    6. Basement receptacles will be required to be GFCI protected (unfinished or finished)


    210.12 New AFCI Requirements


    1. All 120 volt 15 and 20 amp circuits in a dwelling unit will be required to be AFCI protected 230.67

    1. Each Dwelling unit will be required to be protected with Surge Protection 230.85


    1. Each dwelling unit will be required to have an emergency disconnect on the exterior of dwelling
    I hate most of these.

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    I see most proposal are for all receptacles 120-240 v must be gfci protected. What I don't see is that all circuits, with or without a receptacle, will need gfci

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    Originally posted by 480sparky View Post
    What was the vote in the ROP?

    I don't know...I still have a hard time with their site on Next Edition-- I don't think they put the whole thing together yet but according to my source this was the final vote with panel 2

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  • 480sparky
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    What was the vote in the ROP?

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  • Dennis Alwon
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    I see they took part of my proposal for 210.12(D) Modifications -- I wanted to extend the length and get the cmp to exclude the length inside of JB's and enclosures. They choose the latter----

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