proposal 2-165

[don_resqcapt19]

2-165 Log #529 NEC-P02 Final Action: Reject
(210.12(B))
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Submitter: George H. Little, Little Enterprises
Recommendation: Revise text as follows:
Dwelling Units. All 120-volt, single phase, 15- and 20-ampere branch
circuits supplying outlets installed or extended in dwelling unit family rooms,
dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sunrooms,
recreation rooms or areas shall be protected by a listed arc-fault circuit
interrupter, combination-type, installed to provide protection of the branch
circuit.
Substantiation: The current wording implies that it is only that the new branch
circuits are required to have arc-fault protection. Inserting the words ?or
extended? will provide for protection of not only the new branch circuits but
also any new wiring installed as an extension of an otherwise non-AFCI
protected circuit.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The decision on applying the new construction AFCI
requirements to a circuit modification is that of the authority having
jurisdiction.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 9 Negative: 2 Abstain: 1
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It appears to me that the CMP in their statement for this proposal is telling us that a circuit extension, modification or upgrade is not an "electrical installation" because the only way the AFCI rule would not apply to a circuit extension or modification would be if such work in not "electrical installation work". I see nothing anywhere in 210.12 or for that matter anywhere in the code itself other than 800.156 that says a code rule only applies to new construction. The code rules apply to any electrical installation work. If the panel comment is correct, then the NEC would not apply to a panel replacement unless the AHJ says it does.

 

[chris kennedy]

If the panel comment is correct, then the NEC would not apply to a panel replacement unless the AHJ says it does.

90.4:roll:.......

 

[don_resqcapt19]

90.4:roll:.......

My point is that the NEC applies to any electrical installation work and replacements, modification, upgrades and extensions of existing equipment are electrical installation work and is subject to the rule found in the NEC. The panel statement is telling me that CMP 2 does not think that replacements, modification, upgrades and extensions are electrical installation work and such work is not subject to the rules found in the NEC.

 

[sandsnow]

What about 250.130(C)? This is a conflict that hopefully the TCC will pick up.

I'll write a comment if I have time. Just finished comments to my own proposals

As for Don's comment, ANY work done after the original installation that modifies the original installation, would be AHJ dependent

 

[don_resqcapt19]

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As for Don's comment, ANY work done after the original installation that modifies the original installation, would be AHJ dependent

Larry,
Are you agreeing with CMP2 and saying no work other than "new construction" is covered by the NEC?

 

[sandsnow]

Larry,
Are you agreeing with CMP2 and saying no work other than "new construction" is covered by the NEC?

Nope

Sorry I wasn't clear. What they say conflict's with 250.130(C) already requires.

There is a difference in what is required to be permitted and what is required by Code of any install or modification.

How can you extend a circuit and pick and choose the rules to follow?