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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    Our kitchen has no room for seating. My wife likes the idea of outlets out of sight mostly because it frees up wall space for the placement of appliances (either where stored or while in use).
    Why do you/your wife place appliances on the walls and not the counter?

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  • al hildenbrand
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    Also consider any sight lines from seating in other areas, where one might be able to see the cabinetry. I understand there might not be any.

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  • charlie b
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    Our kitchen has no room for seating. My wife likes the idea of outlets out of sight mostly because it frees up wall space for the placement of appliances (either where stored or while in use).

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  • al hildenbrand
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    As an aside, the GC suggested, and my wife loved the idea, that no outlets be installed in the countertop wall space (i.e., in the wall itself). Instead, they will run something akin to Wiremold across the back of the underside of the upper cabinets, and put the receptacles there.
    The key to effecting the end result lies with the depth of the under-cupboard valence in relationship to the sight line of a person seated at the lowest seat in the kitchen. The same goes for the under-cupboard lighting.

    Depending upon the arrangement of amenities in your new kitchen design, the lower lip of the cupboard (the valence) should hang down enough to break the sight line, of the lowest seated person, of the receptacles and under-cupboard lights.

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  • kwired
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    When plugmold is used up at the cabinet it is usually because of fancy tile "backsplash" that the "decorator" doesn't want interrupted with receptacles.

    One can also put the receptacles horizontally and as high as possible under the cabinets (as long as still no more than 20" above counter) and it still might be acceptable to the decorator

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  • Adamjamma
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    If I could find that stuff in Jamaica I would run it myself but it is one of those things that one would b=need to import in a suitcase as no suppliers think the undercabinet lighting or outlets worth selling.

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  • charlie b
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    Thanks everyone. I agree that the wire shorted out at the point it enters the pot. The waste disposal company took it away yesterday, so it is too late for an autopsy. The damage to the prongs of the power cord is what led me to be concerned over the receptacle. We are just going to avoid using that outlet. It will be removed in about three weeks anyway.

    As an aside, the GC suggested, and my wife loved the idea, that no outlets be installed in the countertop wall space (i.e., in the wall itself). Instead, they will run something akin to Wiremold across the back of the underside of the upper cabinets, and put the receptacles there. That way the receptacles are not visible and will not interfere with anything she wants to store on the countertop. It recently occurred to me that the 20" limit would come into play. I need to look at the cabinetry plans to make sure this idea is workable.

    Edited to add: The plans show 19.5 inches from countertop surface to underside of upper cabinets.
    Last edited by charlie b; 12-21-18, 10:38 AM.

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  • grich
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    Originally posted by al hildenbrand View Post
    Based upon your description, Charlie, it sounds like the cord, at the side of the crock pot, was a line to neutral short.

    The activity at the receptacle was probably a "series" event of a small point of contact between male and female that "fused", i.e., melted like a fuse element at the higher current in the short, giving rise to a plasma that would boil the metal to gas which would redeposit itself as the black mark.
    Dang...you're faster typing them I am.

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  • grich
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    Since the cord was almost burned through entering the crock pot, that is likely the failure point, due to fatigue from being wiggled going from place to place. That's my wild guess.

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  • al hildenbrand
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    Based upon your description, Charlie, it sounds like the cord, at the side of the crock pot, was a line to neutral short.

    The activity at the receptacle was probably a "series" event of a small point of contact between male and female that "fused", i.e., melted like a fuse element at the higher current in the short, giving rise to a plasma that would boil the metal to gas which would redeposit itself as the black mark.

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  • K8MHZ
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    I would have done and autopsy.

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  • grich
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    That's what I think. But I didn't do an autopsy. I am calling it a natural ending due to old age. We've had that crock pot for at least 15 years.
    15 years? That's adolescence for a crock pot. Our wedding gift crock pot is still going strong after 37 years.

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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by ptonsparky View Post
    Too bad you didn't have AFCI protection it would have been nice to see if things tripped. Pull that crock pot back out of the trash and hold onto it for a few weeks.
    He said breaker tripped though. Probably on magnetic trip function. Presumably AFCI breakers have thermal magnetic function also.

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  • ptonsparky
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    Too bad you didn't have AFCI protection it would have been nice to see if things tripped. Pull that crock pot back out of the trash and hold onto it for a few weeks.

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  • ptonsparky
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    That's what I think. But I didn't do an autopsy. I am calling it a natural ending due to old age. We've had that crock pot for at least 15 years.
    You are aware that old age hasn't been an accepted explanation for end of life since the late 50s?

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