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  • Adamjamma
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    with the switch in place, you turn off the switch but leave the device plugged in... no current draw...
    unlike those devices plugged in with no switches to use. they stay using a small amount of electricity on standby.
    Most days here in UK I use less than 4 pence electricity per minute, except when heating stuff, and sometimes it is less than 2 pence per minute... for a three floor home with kids, adults, all electric.

    So, I prefer the built in switches like the UK uses but only have that if I use specialty switch/outlet devices. But, considering it yet wife says it is OTT..lol... Which is why I spend so much time trying to figure out what the standby current is for the battery systems... off grid gets tricky that way...lol...

    But, when connected to grid, not too worried about the minimal draw of leaving the microwave plugged in all the time.

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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    I am concerned about this. The panel was replaced right after we bought the house, about 12 years ago. I do not know whether it is a type that can accept AFCI breakers. In one sense, the receptacles are not being replaced, in that they are essentially being relocated (from wall to under cabinet Wiremold). But the old ones won't be reused, so this is a weak argument. I will discuss with the assigned electrician, but only if he or she mentions it first.

    If it was replaced with something "new" 12 years ago, it has AFCI's that are listed to work in it. Same product lines being made today were available then.

    Originally posted by Adamjamma View Post
    My own opinion is that the reason why the british designed their outlets with on off switches in them is because they felt that the act of unplugging the cords would lead to the cords eventually breaking from the strain of unplugging them improperly while in a hurry. You want prove this is possible? Own IPads and have grandkids using them... see how many IPad cables you go through yearly. Now imagine it was not 5volts 2Amps but was 120volts 15amps...
    I don't see how a switch effects the strain put on the cord when pulling on the cord instead of pulling on the plug itself, unless this switch also would have a mechanical "jaw release" for the receptacle.

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  • ptonsparky
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    Originally posted by Adamjamma View Post
    My own opinion is that the reason why the british designed their outlets with on off switches in them is because they felt that the act of unplugging the cords would lead to the cords eventually breaking from the strain of unplugging them improperly while in a hurry. You want prove this is possible? Own IPads and have grandkids using them... see how many IPad cables you go through yearly. Now imagine it was not 5volts 2Amps but was 120volts 15amps...
    I was going to suggest that you make those kids replace the cables with their own dime, but then I see you said 'grandkids'. That changes everything. Continue on.

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  • Adamjamma
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    Originally posted by ELA View Post
    I have a habit of unplugging unused appliances and my wife thinks it is unwarranted.
    (understood it needs to be plugged in when being used)

    I have witnessed shorted appliance cords a number of times. Usually a 20 amp circuit so it can make a mess.
    My own opinion is that the reason why the british designed their outlets with on off switches in them is because they felt that the act of unplugging the cords would lead to the cords eventually breaking from the strain of unplugging them improperly while in a hurry. You want prove this is possible? Own IPads and have grandkids using them... see how many IPad cables you go through yearly. Now imagine it was not 5volts 2Amps but was 120volts 15amps...

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  • ActionDave
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post
    I am concerned about this. The panel was replaced right after we bought the house, about 12 years ago. I do not know whether it is a type that can accept AFCI breakers. In one sense, the receptacles are not being replaced, in that they are essentially being relocated (from wall to under cabinet Wiremold). But the old ones won't be reused, so this is a weak argument. I will discuss with the assigned electrician, but only if he or she mentions it first.

    Your breaker panel will accept AFCI breakers I'm sure. I would never install them in my own house.

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  • charlie b
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    Originally posted by tom baker View Post
    Its likely during the remodel you will end up with AFCI protection, if any recpts are replaced.
    I am concerned about this. The panel was replaced right after we bought the house, about 12 years ago. I do not know whether it is a type that can accept AFCI breakers. In one sense, the receptacles are not being replaced, in that they are essentially being relocated (from wall to under cabinet Wiremold). But the old ones won't be reused, so this is a weak argument. I will discuss with the assigned electrician, but only if he or she mentions it first.

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  • ActionDave
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    Originally posted by tom baker View Post
    Its likely during the remodel you will end up with AFCI protection, if any recpts are replaced.
    On my kitchen counter, the recp I plug toaster into and unplug is now quite loose. It was probably a .39 cent special I got from Eagle Hardware, before they become Lowes. If I replace it I have to use a AFCI...or probably the DF type with GFCI.
    Man oh man! You really know how to have a good time.

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  • tom baker
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    Its likely during the remodel you will end up with AFCI protection, if any recpts are replaced.
    On my kitchen counter, the recp I plug toaster into and unplug is now quite loose. It was probably a .39 cent special I got from Eagle Hardware, before they become Lowes. If I replace it I have to use a AFCI...or probably the DF type with GFCI.

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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by ActionDave View Post
    It is the nature of married couples to disagree.
    Quote of the year here

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  • Sierrasparky
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    Make room for undercabinet lights if any!

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  • ActionDave
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    Originally posted by ELA View Post
    I have a habit of unplugging unused appliances and my wife thinks it is unwarranted.
    (understood it needs to be plugged in when being used)

    I have witnessed shorted appliance cords a number of times. Usually a 20 amp circuit so it can make a mess.
    It is the nature of married couples to disagree. My evidence is anecdotal based on personal observations of others and my own life experience, but I haven't come across an exception yet.

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  • ELA
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    My Wife does not like when I unplug - unused appliances

    I have a habit of unplugging unused appliances and my wife thinks it is unwarranted.
    (understood it needs to be plugged in when being used)

    I have witnessed shorted appliance cords a number of times. Usually a 20 amp circuit so it can make a mess.

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  • Sahib
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    Originally posted by kwired View Post
    Every household kitchen needs a megohmeter in the cupboards
    OP may like to do it.
    Last edited by Sahib; 12-22-18, 10:14 AM.

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  • kwired
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    Originally posted by Sahib View Post
    Yes. Every electrical appliance should have at least a minimum insulation resistance. It should be checked periodically before plugging in.
    Every household kitchen needs a megohmeter in the cupboards

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  • Sahib
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    Originally posted by charlie b View Post


    Two days ago, my wife plugged in a crock pot (in the lower half of a duplex receptacle), turned it on, and saw sparks flying. The breaker tripped, there is black discoloration on the receptacle itself (I haven’t tried to clean it yet – it might just be on the surface), there is damage to the plug, and the wire entering the pot is almost completely burnt through.
    Question: Is there likely to be a safety hazard?
    Yes. Every electrical appliance should have at least a minimum insulation resistance. It should be checked periodically before plugging in.

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