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    #16
    Bes and I have had our differences of opinion in the past but, as a former member of the NFPA 70E TC, I'm giving him a double thumbs up on every comment/post he's made so far.
    [COLOR=black]"Bob"[/COLOR]
    Robert B. Alexander, P.E.
    Answers based on 2017 NEC unless otherwise noted.

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      #17
      Originally posted by Besoeker3 View Post
      I'm a foreigner but I'll give my two pence worth anyway.

      First of all, I'm sorry the OP got electrocuted. Thankfully, she survived what could have a fatal accident. And I agree with others here - she must seek medical advice for the ongoing symptoms.

      I think that any accident or near miss must be reported and investigated. If for no other reason than to prevent a recurrence with possibly a worse outcome.

      That an apprentice got to be working on what turned out to be live circuits is not a trivial matter. It should not be dismissed nor swept under the carpet.

      Rant over.

      Electrocute means to kill with electricity. OP would be dead if electrocuted. Shocked is more fitting by definition.

      Originally posted by Jlcolombiana777 View Post
      Yes I apologize about the grammatical errors. I reposted but they put it as a duplicate. I did indeed have both hands on the hot because I was untwisting the wires to take down the fixture , in that sense I'm kind of blessed because normally I have one hand leaning against the metal part of the fixture which I suppose would have caused me to get hurt worse. I felt two jolts go up my right arm and I was on the ladder but it seems the point of exit was through my left thumb and left foot. I did not see any Burns but it felt as if I was burning inside my face on the left side which became very red my ear was red and hot to the touch. It felt as if I was burning inside underneath my skin which was strange to me I've never experienced anything like that. The breaker was off when I began working on it the situation was that the foreman flipped the breaker on while myself and my coworker we're still in the middle of taking the fixtures down. Fortunately he did not get hit. I appreciate all of your input and especially about the time frame for reporting an accident. There were many witnesses and what not including my foreman so I guess what it comes down to is not about getting anybody in trouble but taking care of my health And being sure this doesn't happen to anybody else. As an apprentice I'm kind of timid when it comes to a situation like this because I really need my job and I'm hesitant to speak up because I don't want this to affect my career.
      Honestly, you should have gone to the hospital. There have been cases of people dropping dead several days after an electric shock. I've never fully understood why as they never went into much detail when I read up upon it but from the grape vine supposedly cardiac arrhythmias which deteriorate. Second internal burns can cause dead tissue to seap toxins into the blood over whelming organs.

      You are probably fine now, but if it happens again call 911 or check yourself into an ER. Vitals can tell a lot.

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        #18
        By definition electrocuted includes injury. I was surprised, too. Our trade tends to think it means death.
        Tom
        TBLO

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          #19
          Originally posted by ptonsparky View Post
          By definition electrocuted includes injury. I was surprised, too. Our trade tends to think it means death.
          It depends on the definition- dictionaries that take common use (or misuse) of words give it multiple definitions.

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            #20
            Originally posted by mbrooke View Post


            Honestly, you should have gone to the hospital. There have been cases of people dropping dead several days after an electric shock. I've never fully understood why as they never went into much detail when I read up upon it but from the grape vine supposedly cardiac arrhythmias which deteriorate. Second internal burns can cause dead tissue to seap toxins into the blood over whelming organs.

            You are probably fine now, but if it happens again call 911 or check yourself into an ER. Vitals can tell a lot.
            Internal injury may not be noticeable at first. Going to hospital and having vitals monitored can tell them if a critical internal organ isn't doing what it is supposed to be doing before it becomes a sudden emergency later on. Not a medical expert, but have heard of them discovering internal problems just with abnormal O2 levels, kinds of things that after some time has passed can make you suddenly drop dead with little or no warning.

            General rule is to go to emergency room after any severe shock incident, even if you think you feel fine.
            I live for today, I'm just a day behind.

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              #21
              Originally posted by kwired View Post
              Internal injury may not be noticeable at first. Going to hospital and having vitals monitored can tell them if a critical internal organ isn't doing what it is supposed to be doing before it becomes a sudden emergency later on. Not a medical expert, but have heard of them discovering internal problems just with abnormal O2 levels, kinds of things that after some time has passed can make you suddenly drop dead with little or no warning.

              General rule is to go to emergency room after any severe shock incident, even if you think you feel fine.
              Yup, well said.

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                #22
                As others have said you need to report it.

                You could have issues that you don't know.
                They call it diffuse electrical syndrome and there was a article some time back on ECM. You may have cooked something internal. Not something to play around with.

                I admire your willing to work. However you need to take care of yourself.

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                  #23
                  Bottom line: Better to go to the hospital and be wrong than not go and be wrong.
                  Master Electrician
                  Electrical Contractor
                  Richmond, VA

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                    #24
                    Originally posted by rbalex View Post
                    Bes and I have had our differences of opinion in the past but, as a former member of the NFPA 70E TC, I'm giving him a double thumbs up on every comment/post he's made so far.
                    Thank you very kindly, Mr Alexander. Site safety is a serious matter. My comment about my post being deleted was in case I had stepped over the boundary on legal matters. FWIW, my company was part of the Eaton Corporation so we had to observe practices on both sides of the pond.

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                      #25
                      Originally posted by kwired View Post

                      General rule is to go to emergency room after any severe shock incident, even if you think you feel fine.
                      Going to ER is too late for OP now but a general medical check up for the OP is in order now.

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by mbrooke View Post
                        ... There have been cases of people dropping dead several days after an electric shock. I've never fully understood why ...
                        The usual cause of delayed death is electroporation -- current punching holes in your cell walls. With enough porosity, your cells can't maintain electrolyte balance and you slowly poison yourself. It's particularly insidious for two reasons: [1] the first sign that anything's wrong is sudden death, which is difficult to treat, and [2] since the victim is injured, not sick, and appears to be OK, they usually don't think to test for problems like liver enzyme imbalance.

                        There's a treatment available, but its effectiveness diminishes rapidly if not administered immediately.

                        Electroporation doesn't kill you quickly because a more-severe electrical contact injury usually results in a prompt death from some other cause.

                        Dr. Raphael Lee, University of Chicago, discovered this effect. (late 1980s or thereabout)

                        After electroporation was discovered while investigating electrical trauma, it became a useful clinical technique for selectively killing cancer cells, and for introducing drugs and genetically-modified DNA directly into cells.

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                          #27
                          Soo, the question is... what have you done or did you just go back to work?

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                            #28
                            Go to the hospital now if you haven't already, it can kill you several days later, sounds like you have serious internal damage. You need an ekg to check heart rythym.

                            I had a co worker die a couple years ago, seemed very healthy, shocked by 120 and next day collapsed dead, no known health problems, didn't get checked out after shock

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                              #29
                              I do hope the OP takes the sound advice which has been given by members here.

                              A related tail that might give some a wee smile.
                              I grew up on a hill farm in Scotland. Kinclune. Lots of sheep. Hence my affiliation with collies.
                              One day, I was walking back home in the evening with my dog - the one I had then. I grabbed the electric fence we used to contain the odd cattle beast. Kinda macho thing we do as youngsters. One hand on the fence then the dog decided to nudge the other. That was a real belter of a shock for both of us. Wet grass and he had no boots.

                              He took off like a rocket. I thought he'd never dare come near me again. Next day, system normal.

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                                #30
                                A few folks had a question as to the path of the shock.....if the OP had just separated the wires that were in the wire nut, one hand would be on the hot and one would be on the load wire, which is probably ground potential through the fixture on a 277 system. That puts the path hand to hand, which is through the heart. Mentioned that it had been raining, which means wet shoes and probably a wet ladder as well. The fact that the return path was through the fixture and a wet ladder may have saved a life. Electricity tends to follow the nerves and blood vessels during a shock and any injury may take quite a while to appear (such as ringing in the ears or a burning sensation, numbness, dizziness or nausea, etc). This is all based on info we (electric/water utility) get at our safety meetings. I won't comment on the need for medical attention, but I will say that we were REQUIRED to have a medical check after any shocks, regardless of how small they seemed at the time. Failure to do so was grounds for termination. Covers you and also covers the employer.

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