switched capacitor banks

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mshields

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I'm looking at a project where we'll be replacing an old service to a hospital. The service at present has switched capacitor banks on each of 2 incomming lines. These two incoming lines are set up in a main tie main arrangement.

A couple of questions. Are switched capacitor banks as relevant today as they ever where. I know we've got better power factors these days on motors but I also know that when they operate on drives as is often the case, they seldom if ever run at full load and that the pf's can be considerably lower at the lower rpm. Still, I don't hear about them much these days.

Does it all depend on whether or not the utility has PF penalty. Is this less common these days?

My second question is this. It's been a long time since I applied these, and I seem to recall a specific concern relating to resonance under some circumstance. Problem is, I can't remember what the concern is. I realize that ones a little out of the blue, but perhaps it will prompt a helpful reply.

Thanks,

Mike
 
Just met with the POCO this morning looking to install a 500 kVAR cap bank
to move us from 80% to 97%. Puts us in 7% payback on about 65k $.

what is the demand?
 
Mike, all of your reasoning is correct. VFD's have taken the place of PF caps in many facilities. Your customer may not need them anymore but you will need to look at thier PF now and if they are paying any penalties or not.
 
Mike, all of your reasoning is correct. VFD's have taken the place of PF caps in many facilities. Your customer may not need them anymore but you will need to look at thier PF now and if they are paying any penalties or not.

Is this because VFD's have good power factor as seen by the system? Even if the motor is running at a low P.F. will the VFD still have a good PF as seen by the system?
 
Is this because VFD's have good power factor as seen by the system? Even if the motor is running at a low P.F. will the VFD still have a good PF as seen by the system?
Yes,
The front end of the majority of drives, made in the past 15 years, are 'simple' diode bridges. The DC bus link prevents the motors from directly affecting the incoming line power. But, VFDs can create a significant amount of distortion.
 
Yes,
The front end of the majority of drives, made in the past 15 years, are 'simple' diode bridges. The DC bus link prevents the motors from directly affecting the incoming line power. But, VFDs can create a significant amount of distortion.

That makes sense. The DC link almost acts as a blocking mechinism since DC has no P.F.

How then is the reactive current/power supplied to the motor from the drive? Is it supplied from the internal capacitance of the drive?

I guess the drive P.F. on the line side is only a function of what small inductance is incorporated in the diode bride and input filter assembly. What is a typical P.F. for a drive as seen by the system?
 
Yes,
The front end of the majority of drives, made in the past 15 years, are 'simple' diode bridges. The DC bus link prevents the motors from directly affecting the incoming line power. But, VFDs can create a significant amount of distortion.

Jim beat me to it, but I absolutely agree with his statements.
Regards,
Mark
 
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