Concrete-Encased Electrodes

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pgordon

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Is there a minimum foundation size for the requirment of bonding the rebar?
RE: Additions.
 

pgordon

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Iwire, When you say use it, do you mean additional bonding is required from the existing grounding electrode system? This is a new small addition with a new rebar foundation.
 

A/A Fuel GTX

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I'm not speaking for Bob but all grounding electrodes present must be used therefore if the new addition has the 20' of 1/2" rebar in it, it must be connected to the existing grounding electrode system via #4 copper.
 

eprice

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What must be done if you have a metal building that has individual footings for each column (all with re-bar, I think they are 6' square x 6' deep)?

With footings of that size, I would guess that they will each have at least 20' of rebar and would each qualify as a concrete encased electrode. However, per the last sentence of 250.52(A)(3), you would only be required to use one of them.
 

eprice

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I'm not speaking for Bob but all grounding electrodes present must be used therefore if the new addition has the 20' of 1/2" rebar in it, it must be connected to the existing grounding electrode system via #4 copper.

One caveat, if by chance the existing structure has a concrete encased electrode and that electrode has been included in the existing grounding electrode system, then adding the new electrode into the system would not be required.
 

220/221

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Is there a minimum foundation size for the requirment of bonding the rebar?
RE: Additions.

You don't need to bond the rebar. Typically the rebar is used as a ground.

If your electrical system is grounded (ground rods/CCE/water main), you are good.

If your system isn't grounded, you may want to use the new rebar (20' x 1/2") as a ufer ground.
 

pgordon

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Ok , a 1970 new england home (ranch) with an existing service and an existing electrode system. we are contracted to provide wiring for a small addition with 20' of 1/2 '' rebar or more in its foundation, and a 200 amp service up grade. must i ground or bond the rebar of the new foundation ?
 

Dennis Alwon

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Ok , a 1970 new england home (ranch) with an existing service and an existing electrode system. we are contracted to provide wiring for a small addition with 20' of 1/2 '' rebar or more in its foundation, and a 200 amp service up grade. must i ground or bond the rebar of the new foundation ?

I believe the code would require you to bond it back to the service , however, many jurisdictions do not require you to do it. I would check with the inspector and see what they require.
 
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