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How many people still open 30, 60, 100 amp 208v , 240v , and 480v disconnects and cabinets and take readings with no arc flash protection . We have been pushing this but I know sometimes people get in a hurry and take short cuts !
 
Ru, ro Rastro....I sense another hot-button topic in the making... :grin:

I have no idea how many folks are going to 'fess up to this heinous crime, but I'll bet the debate will get lively. :)

I can confess to checking out cinema equipment (specifically xenon lamp rectifiers) while energized and without proper PPE.

I don't work any panels/disconnects live anymore. (I did in my younger, dumber days while working for EC's)
 
What day of the week is it?

Now that I'm an old fart. De-energized is the way to go.
 
I don't want any lecture---I'll fess up.
I don't own arc flash and I rarely shut power down. I never work on more than 240V and yes I know you can get hurt on 240V. You asked I told you and I'll be honest I don't know a resi guy who wears arc flash protection.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I don't want any lecture---I'll fess up.
I don't own arc flash and I rarely shut power down. I never work on more than 240V and yes I know you can get hurt on 240V. You asked I told you and I'll be honest I don't know a resi guy who wears arc flash protection.
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Ditto. :)
 
i concur ill even go a step further and say that i have done dumber than that without proper ppe. knock on wood i have never been injured but i am a hypocrite about it as i will never allow anyone i have working for me to do the same.
 
Davebones said:
How many people still open 30, 60, 100 amp 208v , 240v , and 480v disconnects and cabinets and take readings with no arc flash protection . We have been pushing this but I know sometimes people get in a hurry and take short cuts !
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I could be terminated for doing that.

So now if I decide to work something hot I am risking

  • My health / life
  • The customers property
  • My job

If I choose to shut things down I have nothing to loose.
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I don't want any lecture---I'll fess up.
I don't own arc flash and I rarely shut power down. I never work on more than 240V and yes I know you can get hurt on 240V. You asked I told you and I'll be honest I don't know a resi guy who wears arc flash protection.
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I'll be willing to bet good money there's a lot of resi-only people out there who have never even heard of arc-flash protection (Other than "close your eyes and turn your head").
 
guilty as charged. I'm trying to work most stuff deenergized nowadays though, but I still haven't forked out the dough for a moon suit.
 
I have sinned almost every day for the last thirty years. Mostly in 480 buckets. I am very deliberate and carefull wich is how I've gotten away with it for 30 years. Tommorow I am going to ride my motor cycle to work, I am going to sin again and if all goes well I will spend the evening scuba diving. Most of the realy fun things in life come with a certain amount of risk.:)
 
I'm getting smarter in my old age. And grumpier. Come to find out I actually like turning peoples power off. Especially when they say nooo we can't because the computers are on.

I charge more for it and move on.

I'll admit I will on occasion use the tester live.
 
SmithBuilt said:
I'm getting smarter in my old age. And grumpier. Come to find out I actually like turning peoples power off. Especially when they say nooo we can't because the computers are on.

I charge more for it and move on.
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LOL, that is funny. Now here is a guy that sees the glass half full.
 
Here is a post that will suprise the people that know me, I really don't think resi work should require arc flash PPE. You won't see a self sustaining arc in a residential system, if I was a resi guy, I would wear class 00 rubber gloves and 100% cotton clothing.

But no electrician should ever, ever, wear meltable fabrics alone or in blends, even a small arc can create enough heat to melt those fabrics into your skin which is very painful to remove. I had to have some polyester cut out of my skin once, nothing to do with an arc flash, polyester filled pillows and candles, not really a forum appropriate story, but anyways it really hurt to have that removed.
 
zog said:
Here is a post that will suprise the people that know me, I really don't think resi work should require arc flash PPE. You won't see a self sustaining arc in a residential system, if I was a resi guy, I would wear class 00 rubber gloves and 100% cotton clothing.

But no electrician should ever, ever, wear meltable fabrics alone or in blends, even a small arc can create enough heat to melt those fabrics into your skin which is very painful to remove. I had to have some polyester cut out of my skin once, nothing to do with an arc flash, polyester filled pillows and candles, not really a forum appropriate story, but anyways it really hurt to have that removed.
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As one who's been in a residential arc flash, I would agree, except would add safety glasses to the list. There is molten metal that melted into my safety glasses from that incident.
 
480sparky said:
I'll be willing to bet good money there's a lot of resi-only people out there who have never even heard of arc-flash protection (Other than "close your eyes and turn your head").
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You would be suprised on the commercial side also.

I had never heard of it til I came to this site.

I have only seen PPE(Moonsuit) used once and the girl that was using it really
struggled while it was on.
 
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