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On a remodeling job there was a required rec 2 ft from the end of kitchen counter top. The countertop is now 5 inch longer so the rec is 29" from end . The rec cant be moved over because the next rec is 48" . My question is now the c top butts into a wall space the same width as the c top on the end. Can I put the rec in the partition wall at end of counter and measure around the corner the same as you would on a corner where the c top makes a 45. The reason I ask the rec will be much easier to install in the new partition than the existing wall space. in other words a rec is 29 from end of c top and 12" from corner on the end wall would be another for total of 41 " if measure around corner .
 
If I understand you correctly the recep. will be 41" measured along the wall from one recep. to the other. That is how you should measure it.
 
nope

nope

Dennis Alwon said:
If I understand you correctly the recep. will be 41" measured along the wall from one recep. to the other. That is how you should measure it.
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Its hard to explain , the counter top ends againt a partition the width of the c top approx 26 " . the nearest rec is 29" from the end the question is can I add another rec in the wall on the end of the c top or does it have to be on the wall behind the c top.
 
I think I understand, but you would still be 29" to the next recept.

Sorry I take that back. Yes you could add one to the end of the counter, because then you would only be 29" to the next one.
 
cowboyjwc said:
I think I understand, but you would still be 29" to the next recept.

Sorry I take that back. Yes you could add one to the end of the counter, because then you would only be 29" to the next one.
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well you have to measure around the corner because it will be on stud in center of end wall 12" from corner . so down the other wall 29" adds up to 41" I know you can measure this way where the ctop makes a 45 deg same as the corner of a room but can you do this on the end of the counter in an end wall..
 
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well you have to measure around the corner because it will be on stud in center of end wall 12" from corner . so down the other wall 29" adds up to 41" I know you can measure this way where the ctop makes a 45 deg same as the corner of a room but can you do this on the end of the conter in an end wall..
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Yes, they call it counter top, but you measure along the wall.
 
I don't understand this 45 degree stuff. It looks like you have a counter that end into a wall that is as deep as the counter is deep. Yes? So, the wall at the end is perpendicular to the counter wall. Yes?
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I don't understand this 45 degree stuff. It looks like you have a counter that end into a wall that is as deep as the counter is deep. Yes? So, the wall at the end is perpendicular to the counter wall. Yes?
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If I cant explain this time I will have to give up , the 45 deg stuff is a nomal inside corner on c top in the corner of a kitchen. In those corners the code allows you to measure arround the corner , in other words a rec 1 ft from corner on one wall and another rec 3 ft from corner on perpendicular wall adds up to 4 ft and passes code. The answer to both question is yes. The counter top ends against a wall the same width and perpendicular to the c top. that forms a corner in the wall . if I put a rec 12" out from the corner which is about the center of the end wall will it pass inspection . the next rec is 29 from the corner on the existing wall behind c top. I dont know if u are allowed to measure around the corner on the end wall that way
 
Why can't the recep be moved if the next one is 48" away?

The receps do not have to be exactly 48" apart, that is just the maximum they can be.
 
jetlag said:
If I cant explain this time I will have to give up , the 45 deg stuff is a nomal inside corner on c top in the corner of a kitchen. In those corners the code allows you to measure arround the corner , in other words a rec 1 ft from corner on one wall and another rec 3 ft from corner on perpendicular wall adds up to 4 ft and passes code. The answer to both question is yes. The counter top ends against a wall the same width and perpendicular to the c top. that forms a corner in the wall . if I put a rec 12" out from the corner which is about the center of the end wall will it pass inspection . the next rec is 29 from the corner on the existing wall behind c top. I dont know if u are allowed to measure around the corner on the end wall that way
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The way 210.50(C)(1) is worded is that there should be no point along the wall line that is further then 24" from a receptacle, this simply means the first receptacle from a break in the wall line has to be within 24" from this wall break and then you need another receptacle within 48" to also meet the wording, till you get to the next break, which will require a receptacle within 24" of that break in the wall line, so yes you can put a receptacle in the end wall as long as you have another within 48" down the measured along the wall line that any receptacle in located in.

they don't have to be 24" from the end, they can be closer, same as the 48" you can put more in just can't be further.
 
480sparky said:
Why can't the recep be moved if the next one is 48" away?

The receps do not have to be exactly 48" apart, that is just the maximum they can be.
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this is hardest thing I have ever tried to explain yet is very simple. Picture this, you have a c top that ends . 29 '' from end is a recep. 48" past that one is another rec. the 29 is to far from the end , I was saying I cant move it over 5 " because it would be 53 between them then. Now A wall has been built at the end of the ctop to more or less cover the end of the cabinets , my question is can i put a rec in that end wall . I dont know if code allows you to count it acrooss the end that way.. it will be easy to install there that wall is new . behind the counter top is existing wall and will be harder. But I cant get any one to understand what Im asking , I give up
 
Dennis Alwon said:
I don't understand this 45 degree stuff. It looks like you have a counter that end into a wall that is as deep as the counter is deep. Yes? So, the wall at the end is perpendicular to the counter wall. Yes?
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Sorry I keep saying 45 deg it is a 90 in a corner , I just was just thinking about you 45 each end of c top
 
jetlag said:
Sorry I keep saying 45 deg it is a 90 in a corner , I just was just thinking about you 45 each end of c top
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The angles are meaningless. 48" of wall space is 48" of wall space, regardless of the angle the two walls are set in relationship to each other.

How about a drawing? Even a crude one would help.
 
Here is what you are saying but I am not sure if this is what you mean. If this is the case you are good. The outlet at the top would be the new one in the new wall.


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jetlag said:
Now A wall has been built at the end of the ctop to more or less cover the end of the cabinets , my question is can i put a rec in that end wall.
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Yes, you can, as long as you hit either another receptacle within 4' of that one (as measured along the L-shaped counter-wall meeting line) or a break in the counter space within 2' as measured along the same line.
 
Thanks dennis

Thanks dennis

Dennis Alwon said:
Here is what you are saying but I am not sure if this is what you mean. If this is the case you are good. The outlet at the top would be the new one in the new wall.


ry%3D400
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Thats exactly it but it was hard to put in words for me. You see I wasnt sure if you could measure around the corner on the end that way, I know you can where c top continues around a 90 deg corner. Well that will save work . On back wall I would prob have to use a remodeling box close to first rec and try to get a wire over into the existing box and there is a stud between them I already checked.
 
Thanks larry

Thanks larry

LarryFine said:
Yes, you can, as long as you hit either another receptacle within 4' of that one (as measured along the L-shaped counter-wall meeting line) or a break in the counter space within 2' as measured along the same line.
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the drawing by dennis is exactly the way it is on that end, I just never put a rec in the end wall that way. I think reason I was worried is in code where it says in a bath you cant count a rec in the end wall as being the required rec by the lav no matter how close to lav it is.
 
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