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Does 210.52(B)(2) prohibit a 120V receptacle outlet behind a free standing range?
210.52(b)(2)
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In our last thread I was told that it was prohibited.
Not by me.
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Yes. It says no other outlets, and then provides an exception for a receptacle serving electric needs on a gas range (just gas).
There is no exception to allow general purpose receptacles on a SABC circuit behind a range.
There is no exception to allow general purpose receptacles on a SABC circuit behind a range.
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I know that is why I thought seperating the ten different questions should be addressed one at a time.
You know how we get off track.
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Correct it allows that outlet. Does it prohibit me from having it there on a 'spec home'?
I do not need an exception unless it is prohibited.
There is no such thing as a 'spec home' in the NEC. It's a dwelling. Spec... custom...tract.... all the same to the NEC.
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You know what I mean.
So I am not allowed to put both a gas and electric supply for a range in a home?
Installing both is perfectly legal. Heck if you wanted, you could legally install 24 120v recepacles behind you range if that's what trips your trigger. But they're not required for an electric range. Nor is a 120v recep behind an electric range prohibited.
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Then you must not have read all of our last thread.
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Irrelevant.
It is. 210.52(B)(2) prohibits it.
Logic 101:
An exception (by nature) is going to say something contradictory to the rule that it is attached to.
Exception 2 exists for a reason. I am taking that for granted. If you believe it is wasted ink, that could be the source of our failure to communicate. Without exception 2, 210.52(B)(2) would be prohibiting us from installing any SABC receptacle behind any range.
(B)(1) states that all "walls" and "counters" in a kitchen are to be supplied from SABC circuits.
(B)(2) states there are to be nothing but those receptacles on SABC circuits.
Ex 2 states that even though receptacles installed behind a gas range are not "walls" or "counters", you will be forgiven for installing those particular receptacles in those particular locations.
If the space behind a range was "wall" space, then the receptacle would be required, and the exception would not be necessary - as (B)(1) would have been requiring that receptacle.
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Ken, the problem is it's not just any old 120V circuit, it is a SABC circuit.
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Let's mess with your hypothetical home after a while. Agreed?
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That was the half I did not read.
Agreed. But the question posed in the OP does not deal with circuits... it deals with receptacles.
If you determine a receptacle is not required and do not install one, or is prohibited, then whatever circuit you wanted to feed it with is not relevant.
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The title of this thread is 210.52(B)(2).
I think the original question should have mentioned SABCs in it - that was the point of the previous conversation.
I think the original question should have mentioned SABCs in it - that was the point of the previous conversation.
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