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I received this email from the supply house today. I thought I would pass it along to the members.

"Just to let you know that the cost of all fluorescent light bulbs will be going up this month. China is limiting the amount of phosphorus that it is trading with the USA so that is driving those costs up."
 
Bat guano.

The price may be going up, but the explanation is pure eyewash. Phosphorous is quite readily available from many countries- including this one.
 
renosteinke said:
Bat guano.

The price may be going up, but the explanation is pure eyewash. Phosphorous is quite readily available from many countries- including this one.
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Sorry, while it is true we have phosphorus here in the states we no longer have any mines digging it out.
 
iwire said:
Sorry, while it is true we have phosphorus here in the states we no longer have any mines digging it out.
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Where do you get that? Not trying to argumentative, nor am I be any means an expert. Just curious. 10 seconds worth of googling finds several active mines in Idaho, and quite a bit of it in Florida.
 
Having worked in the mining industry a bit, it is quite possible that the active US domestic mines are already contracted out beyond their ability to accept new orders in the near future. They could probably absorb new production eventually - but do you know what it takes to open or significantly expand a mine, especially with the current environmental climate.
 
rbalex said:
Having worked in the mining industry a bit, it is quite possible that the active US domestic mines are already contracted out beyond their ability to accept new orders in the near future. They could probably absorb new production eventually - but do you know what it takes to open or significantly expand a mine, especially with the current environmental climate.
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No, I don't know anything about mining. but I did see a Idaho government website that listed several mines active, and a couple other active but currently idle...
I have no clue what it means just was curious about iwire's statement that the US doesn't mine it.
 
Sounds like a bait and switch to me.
Eliminate incandescent and HID out of the competition by claiming how you'll save money over the life and the lamps, then raise prices.
stevenje said:
I received this email from the supply house today. I thought I would pass it along to the members.

"Just to let you know that the cost of all fluorescent light bulbs will be going up this month. China is limiting the amount of phosphorus that it is trading with the USA so that is driving those costs up."
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We recieved notification from our electrical suppliers, I got to see the letters they got from GE, Phillips and Osram/Sylvania. Same thing, mentioned the increased pricing from "offshore" phosporus suppliers.
 
This is probably not much different than oil prices. They always claim there is plenty of oil but demand and production help determine the price. They keep production at the level that keeps profit where they want it.

There is more complications than that but most of the major price changes are related to demand and production.
 
stevenje said:
I received this email from the supply house today. I thought I would pass it along to the members.

"Just to let you know that the cost of all fluorescent light bulbs will be going up this month. China is limiting the amount of phosphorus that it is trading with the USA so that is driving those costs up."
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Tit for tat?

The newswire hit: US is discovering large rare earth metal deposits in small Nebraska(?) town that is threatening the near-monopoly position of Red-China in that market.

I don't know we still making fluorescents on-shore:eek:hmy:.

As far as our phosphor and other deposits go. Like the oil situation, many wells were capped at $30/bar, that are now producing. It is a cost issue. Can you pump-it out, sell it and make a profit or recovery+profit cost more than the sales price.
 
I think there's some confusion between Phosphors and Phosphorous.

Phosphors are what are used in fluorescent lamps and China is limiting exports of the "Rare Earth" elements such as Yttrium, Europium, and Terbium that are used to produce the phosphors.

Phosphorous is an element. It's main industrial use is in fertilizer.
 
What's the big deal? Fixtures and lamps have gone up every year that I can remember.
Just because they can.
 
cdslotz said:
What's the big deal? Fixtures and lamps have gone up every year that I can remember.
Just because they can.
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True. But, the big deal,at least in the case of Osram/Sylvania, the first increase effective Sept. 1 will be 25%, more to follow. Wholesalers reps say in a year or so, depending on how things go, prices could be up 100% from where they are now.
 
rbalex said:
Having worked in the mining industry a bit, it is quite possible that the active US domestic mines are already contracted out beyond their ability to accept new orders in the near future. They could probably absorb new production eventually - but do you know what it takes to open or significantly expand a mine, especially with the current environmental climate.
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It's probably all contracted to China who sells it back to us.:slaphead:
 
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