JWCELECTRIC
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I thought this was the Electrical Contrator know-it-alls, not the Engineering know-it-alls, Opps wrong thread!
A question for all of the EE's out there. When you get hired (and paid) by a client, do you tell them that the prints that you engineer will be 100% complete and accurate? I would hope so. After all, isn't that what you are being hired and paid for?
A question for all of the EE's out there. When you get hired (and paid) by a client, do you tell them that the prints that you engineer will be 100% complete and accurate? I would hope so. After all, isn't that what you are being hired and paid for?
When you get hired (and paid) by a client, do you tell them that the electrical work you perform will be 100% complete and accurate? I would hope so. After all, isn't that want you are being hired and paid for?
If both the plans and installation are same then everyone has done well.
If the plans and installation are different someone was wrong.
Maybe designers and installers need to learn to work together when there is a problem instead of each coming into the situation with an opinioin of how much more they know vs the other person. People do make mistakes. When they consistently make same mistakes that is when they possibly have some kind of problem.
I thought this was the Electrical Contrator know-it-alls, not the Engineering know-it-alls, Opps wrong thread!
You are forgetting the situation of value engineering where the EE is trying to save money for the owner usually at the EC's expense. The EE then hides behind such things as " plans state EC must comply with all codes and specs"
Look at the post where the project was drawn for over head service from the wrong POCO. It was the EE's job to spec properly. To expect 15 bidding EC to contact the POCO individually to spec the job is perposterous. The POCO does not want to be flooded with such calls. On call from the EE is all.!!!!!
Kwired,
You are giving those professionals way too much credit. Wait till you get burned you will be singing a different tune.
The issue by the op is not so much that he is liable it's that the EE refuses to correct the issue. That is a huge issue. If the EC deviates from the plan without consent of the EE there can be an issue just in that. The EC then needs to prove that his deviation was prudent and Necessary. If this is a serious issue and there becomes some fingerpointing the EC will be liable. It's the arrogance and the willfulness we speak of not the legitimate mistake.
I understand the problem, I also have problems with other professionals in other areas. If you want to bid these jobs it is part of the game. I have had more problems with POCO engineers and ridiculous specifications from them than with a set of prints for a building..
I don't recall ever winning a bid from engineered plans unless I knew I was likely to get the job before even submitting a bid. If you don't already have some kind of relationship with owner or general contractor or whoever you are sending bid to you usually don't get it unless you are really low, then you have to wonder what you might have missed on the bid..[/QUOTE]Dishonesty and fraud have no place here. There are laws against the EC there should be similar consequences for the EE.
I hear you there. I don't know how many times I have been handed a set of prints to work off of, that are stamped " NOT APPROVED FOR CONSTRUCTION". You got to love it.