tonype
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Do gas and electricity make good partners?
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jumper
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110.26(A) applies to meter base and gas companies usually have a minimum distance from electrical.
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- New Jersey
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- Journeyman Electrician
Many utilities require 3' of separation between the two meters.
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
The electric meter enclosure needs to be rotated 90 degrees counter clockwise to satisfy its NEMA 3R rating:lol:
jumper
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masterinbama
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- Huntsville Alabama
I would be more concerned with where the direct buried extension cord goes.
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- Massachusetts
ptonsparky
Tom
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- EC - retired
I have not been on a job of this caliber where, I as an EC, did not have a say as to where the meter went. That includes the gas meter location if it infringes on my working space.
jumper
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:happyyes::happyyes:
110.26(A)(#3)Exception No. 2: Meters that are installed in meter sockets
shall be permitted to extend beyond the other equipment.
The meter socket shall be required to follow the rules
of this section.
jumper
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Bump.
Yes or no Bob? or anyone else.
1-103 Log #3273 NEC-P01 Final Action: Reject
(110.26)
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Submitter: Leonard F. Devine, Jr., Palm Beach County Plan Review
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
110.26 Spaces about Electrical Equipment. Sufficient access and working
space shall be provided and maintained about all electrical equipment,
including metering devices to permit ready and safe operation and
maintenance of such equipment. Enclosures housing electrical apparatus that
are controlled by a lock(s) shall be considered accessible to qualified persons.
Substantiation: It is not unusual to find shrubbery, large and small in front of
meter cans on the exterior of a single family residence, and other buildings
which can pose a hazard to someone wanting to gain access to the meter can
for inspection. Recently, here in Palm Beach County Florida, in the process of
making an inspection of a meter can that was not supposed to be energized, an
electrical inspector received a shock while lying in the shrubbery to open the
meter can. This can be extremely dangerous, especially if the shrubbery is wet,
which is the case in this part of the country.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: All electrical equipment requires sufficient access and
working space per 110.26. This includes metering devices. This is an
enforcement issue. CMP-1 refers the submitter to the NEC Style Manual,
Section 3.3.4.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12
Yes or no Bob? or anyone else.
1-103 Log #3273 NEC-P01 Final Action: Reject
(110.26)
_____________________________________________________________
Submitter: Leonard F. Devine, Jr., Palm Beach County Plan Review
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
110.26 Spaces about Electrical Equipment. Sufficient access and working
space shall be provided and maintained about all electrical equipment,
including metering devices to permit ready and safe operation and
maintenance of such equipment. Enclosures housing electrical apparatus that
are controlled by a lock(s) shall be considered accessible to qualified persons.
Substantiation: It is not unusual to find shrubbery, large and small in front of
meter cans on the exterior of a single family residence, and other buildings
which can pose a hazard to someone wanting to gain access to the meter can
for inspection. Recently, here in Palm Beach County Florida, in the process of
making an inspection of a meter can that was not supposed to be energized, an
electrical inspector received a shock while lying in the shrubbery to open the
meter can. This can be extremely dangerous, especially if the shrubbery is wet,
which is the case in this part of the country.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: All electrical equipment requires sufficient access and
working space per 110.26. This includes metering devices. This is an
enforcement issue. CMP-1 refers the submitter to the NEC Style Manual,
Section 3.3.4.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
What 110.26 applies to has been debated here so many times that there is no widely accepted list of items that apply.
Enclosures containing overcurrent devices, or control devices seem to be well accepted as equipment that it does apply to.
If you read 110.26 and are very strict in its application you could possibly require the mentioned clearances in almost any electrical enclosure with any connections of any kind, without much question. You can also find ways to substantiate the need for working clearances for almost anything you can imagine.
"and likely to require examination, adjustment, servicing, or maintenance while energized" leaves the door wide open to what can fall in that description. Plugging in a simple 3 light receptacle tester into a receptacle that has clearly does not have 110.26 working space could be interpreted as being examination while energized.
jumper
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Beyond what I have already cited, meter sockets are specifically named in 110.16 and 110.20.
I would say that these are not basic outlets and are equipment that are subject 110.26.
I would say that these are not basic outlets and are equipment that are subject 110.26.
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- Massachusetts
Meter sockets that are under the control of the utility are not covered by the NEC at all. Nada, never, not one part of the NEC applies. 90.2(B)(5)(a) makes this very clear.
On the other hand a meter socket that the customer installs for their own reasons would be under the NEC and 110.26.
It is my opinion that the meter socket in the OP is no covered by the NEC at all.
On the other hand a meter socket that the customer installs for their own reasons would be under the NEC and 110.26.
It is my opinion that the meter socket in the OP is no covered by the NEC at all.
jumper
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No, the meter is under control of the utility. The meter base/socket belongs to the NEC.
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- Massachusetts
Nope. Many people will call the meter socket just a wide point of the service entrance conductors.
The meter and it's socket are 'associated metering' and not subject to the NEC unless under the control of the customer not the utility.
jumper
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Nope. A meter socket does not meter anything.
Is a service mast not covered by the NEC? Customer relies on the utility to disconnect the drop, as well as a meter socket, yet the NEC dictates the mast requirements and its "associated install" in conjunction with POCO rules.
The mast is NEC, but the meter socket isn't? I disagree.
dhalleron
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- Louisville, KY
I will never be as smart as I should be in this trade. At first look at this photo I saw obvious violations. Now I'm not so sure.
Anyway, in my town under who knows what rule the two meters will be at least 3' apart or it will fail either the inspection of the power or gas company.
And the extension cord better not be there when the electrical inspector is there. He hates extension cords.
Anyway, in my town under who knows what rule the two meters will be at least 3' apart or it will fail either the inspection of the power or gas company.
And the extension cord better not be there when the electrical inspector is there. He hates extension cords.
RICK NAPIER
Senior Member
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- New Jersey
In NJ this meter socket would have been installed and maintained by the owner. Hence it is under the control of the owner and would fall under the NEC.
kwired
Electron manager
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- NE Nebraska
Around here if the power company installs and maintains it, it is theirs and not subject to inspection. If contractor or owner installs and maintains it, is the customers inspection and NEC applies. The installed meter belongs to POCO and they have right to seal the cabinet to protect from theft of service but need to either unlock or somehow permit breaking seal for owner to maintain his equipment if necessary. Most of time customer is responsible for providing equipment but occasionally POCO does provide it. On farms or any rural service of 200 amps or less they usually provide meter and disconnect or a combination unit on a pole and customer is responsible for everything past that point.
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