GFCI in unfinished basements

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Trying to clarify 210.8 A (5), exception #2 to (5)...... "dedicated space, 2 appliances" etc. How does this relate to furnaces, sump pits. The plans are showing GFI on the two furnaces but no GFI on the sump and ejector pumps. I can understand that the furnaces are hardwired...but the pumps confuse me, (dedicated space, two appliances in a dedicated space). Thanks
 
VIC1958 said:
Trying to clarify 210.8 A (5), exception #2 to (5)...... "dedicated space, 2 appliances" etc. How does this relate to furnaces, sump pits. The plans are showing GFI on the two furnaces but no GFI on the sump and ejector pumps. I can understand that the furnaces are hardwired...but the pumps confuse me, (dedicated space, two appliances in a dedicated space). Thanks
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It doesn't. :) The pumps require GFCI protection as well, if they are cord and plug connected. A good example of dedicated space for two appliances would be gas dryer and washing machine side by side... These appliances are not easily moved from one place to another.
 
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VIC1958 said:
Trying to clarify 210.8 A (5), exception #2 to (5)...... "dedicated space, 2 appliances" etc. How does this relate to furnaces, sump pits. The plans are showing GFI on the two furnaces but no GFI on the sump and ejector pumps. I can understand that the furnaces are hardwired...but the pumps confuse me, (dedicated space, two appliances in a dedicated space). Thanks
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What code cycle are you on?

the 2008 NEC has removed those exceptions and 210.8 only applies to "Receptacle loads" not hard wired loads:
A) Dwelling Units. All 125-volt, single-phase, 15- and
20-ampere receptacles installed in the locations specified in
(1) through (8) shall have ground-fault circuit-interrupter
protection for personnel.
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if your under the 2008 or 2011 you will be required to install GFCI protection for all "receptacles" in a basement except one for alarm panels.
 
stickboy1375 said:
It doesn't. :) The pumps require GFCI protection as well, if they are cord and plug connected. A good example of dedicated space for two appliances would be gas dryer and washing machine side by side... These appliances are not easily moved from one place to another.
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Thats great.........the hose on the washer breaks and the basement fills with water because the gfci on the sump pump tripped.

Is it not permissible to put the pump on a single receptacle?
 
stickboy1375 said:
It doesn't. :) The pumps require GFCI protection as well, if they are cord and plug connected. A good example of dedicated space for two appliances would be gas dryer and washing machine side by side... These appliances are not easily moved from one place to another.
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Frig.........freezer........???
 
ritelec said:
Thats great.........the hose on the washer breaks and the basement fills with water because the gfci on the sump pump tripped.
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This sounds like another chorus for "Third Rock From The Sun":lol:

ritelec said:
Is it not permissible to put the pump on a single receptacle?
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Nope not since the 2008 NEC
Buy quality GFCI receptacles and not those cheap ones from Menard's and this won't happen.
 
Third Rock........funny show.

hurk27 said:
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Nope not since the 2008 NEC
Buy quality GFCI receptacles and not those cheap ones from Menard's and this won't happen.
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I guess as long as the insurance adjuster is ok with it when/if he's knee deep in water.
 
Oh here'a a suggestion, you could use a faceless cover at a convenient point in that unfinished basement. :D
 
ritelec said:
Thats great.........the hose on the washer breaks and the basement fills with water because the gfci on the sump pump tripped.

Is it not permissible to put the pump on a single receptacle?
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Nope.. Not even in the 2005, which as far as I know, only two states are still on the 2005, Connecticut, and Missouri.
 
Upsell and look even smarter even better.

I was frankly thinking of convenience and function!

Yours ideas sounds even better ...
 
hurk27 said:
I was talking about the song;)
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Thanks' for the link.............never heard it (well just did). Yeah, I could see how that could be in the song.

Where's any reference to a pick up truck or dog?

Little heavy on the drums.............(mainly the snare). Yep......listened again........who's to be shot? the mix engineer or the master engineer.

Back on topic (although I much prefer the music).

stickboy1375 said:
or maybe even a hard wired sump pump...
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:thumbsup:
 
iwire said:
Yeah, it is a situation with no easy and cheep solutions. :D
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I think stickboy hit the nail on the head..........(which I was thinking about when I was in the shower after I posted)........

HARD WIRE IT.

ActionDave..........thank you for bringing the 240v option to my attention.

and thanks for the link iwire........:thumbsup:
 
Just one more thought.......most pumps would be in the basement........plug it in to an extension chord and run that to the 1st floor.........:D

That would be to code right? If the chord ran thru the windows and not thru the floor???
 
I have stopped recommending the battery backups, as I have seen too many bad batteries or just too long of a period where water kept flowing in to basements.

Since we have mostly all public water around here, I tell them to call the plumber and have a water powered pump installed. If I don't trust a product, I'm not going to install it. The water pumps are the most trustworthy/surefire sump pump out there (so long as the city water pressure is correct).

My backup sump pump which I wouldn't mind just being the normal one, is a Liberty SJ10. It out pumps my 120v sump, works when there is no power (no need to worry about the generator), and if I lose public water I've got bigger problems to worry about than my basement flooding.
 
ritelec said:
I think stickboy hit the nail on the head..........(which I was thinking about when I was in the shower after I posted)........

HARD WIRE IT.
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You can't do that unless it is designed to be hard wired than you will have provide a disconnecting means.
 
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