I ran into a situation today useing plastic NM cable staples. Manufacturer "A's" carton states that this particular staple can hold( 2) 14-2 or 12-2 cables. Manufacturer "B's" carton states that their product is for securing 14-2 or 12-2 cables but does not list a quantity. Staples are identical as far as physical shape and size.Is it fair to say that the latter of the two products could "legally" secure (3) cables? This may sound petty, but why use three .30 cable stackers if three .02 staples are code compliant. Thoughts?
Nm cable fastening
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jumper
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If you put 3 cables under a staple, an inspector will not be happy, put the staple into the stud/joist and zip tie the cables to it.
:? why not state the manufacture? :?
Is it a violation though?
jumper
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If you are referring to 3 cables under a staple, 110.3(B) will probably apply.
stickboy1375
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At that point I would use a nail and bend it over the cables.
Or you could just let them all hang by the studs and then go back and wrap electrical tape around all the wires and the stud. :lol:
I'm confused how you think it's logical that "B's" staple that is "identical as far as physical shape and size" would be able to hold more cables than what the "A" is saying it can hold.
Fulthrotl
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well, if you guys need the training video.....
http://www.wimp.com/doorinstallation/
hope that clears it up...
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We used to do that all the time when I was doing condos.
Please cite a code violation
renosteinke
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The means used to support our wiring methods are not required to be listed. Many manufacturers have chosen to do so, but that's not a code requirement.
In the example of cable staples, all the package does is list the combinations for which the product was evaluated. That, in turn, is determined by what materials the manuacturer provided UL for the evaluation. If they didn't ask for, say, a 12/3 with a 14/3 atop it, that combination won't be included in the roster of 'listed' applications. UL will take the position of 'we don't know.'
In the example of cable staples, all the package does is list the combinations for which the product was evaluated. That, in turn, is determined by what materials the manuacturer provided UL for the evaluation. If they didn't ask for, say, a 12/3 with a 14/3 atop it, that combination won't be included in the roster of 'listed' applications. UL will take the position of 'we don't know.'
stickboy1375
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or just use a nail... either or is acceptable.
jumper
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Jeez, don't y'all knowed that Red Green saids use duct tape, what is ya's- a bunch of hacks.
I think I sprained a pinkie finger writing that.
stickboy1375
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Jeez, don't y'all knowed that Red Green saids use duct tape, what is ya's- a bunch of hacks.
I think I sprained a pinkie finger writing that.
Lol, seriously though, what makes a staple the correct "method" to hold a NM in place? People are silly.
We used to do that all the time when I was doing condos.
Please cite a code violation
You'd consider what I jokingly wrote as "workmanlike?"
We asked
We once had a new hire show up, with his hand tools, and a bag full of fence staples, when we asked what the fence staples were for, he said to fasten the cable, it took a few weeks to get one of the guys to work with him, and today he owns his own contracting business.
We once had a new hire show up, with his hand tools, and a bag full of fence staples, when we asked what the fence staples were for, he said to fasten the cable, it took a few weeks to get one of the guys to work with him, and today he owns his own contracting business.
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I don't see a safety issue at all and all these jobs we did were subject to full inspections.
As far as workmanlike that is just opinon and nothing more.
jumper
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If it holds until the drywall is up, yep. That is the point of securing cables in walls to be finished.
kwired
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It was possibly more workman like than some installations that did use staples.
kwired
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The fastening method is not required to be listed.
If the fastening method happens to be listed, don't we have to follow the requirements of the listing to comply with 110.3(B)?
Seems redundant but it is what it is. But then you can just use a non listed product and install it in any way you wish:happysad:
Something to think about.
If the fastening method happens to be listed, don't we have to follow the requirements of the listing to comply with 110.3(B)?
Seems redundant but it is what it is. But then you can just use a non listed product and install it in any way you wish:happysad:
Something to think about.
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