ROP is out

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augie47

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It seems payments on loans and Code cycles all appear too quickly :D
It amazes me that the ROP is out and so many jurisdictions are still on the 2005, 2008 or earlier Codes.
 

brantmacga

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just glancing through for a minute. . . this one caught my attention. .


Submitter: Andrew Rogers, Santa Clara County Electrical Training Center
Recommendation: Add new text to read as follows:
Where individually approved, listed or labeled equipment is assembled to form
a partial or complete wiring system, it is not the intent of this Code that the
wiring system be considered approved, listed or labeled simply by means of its
components.
Substantiation: Off-site fabrication of electrical rooms and substantial sections
of complex electrical systems are becoming widespread. The originators of this
equipment are utilizing State and other entities (not necessarily NRTL related)
for listing as a manufactured “unit”. Although the components that comprise
the “unit” are labeled, listed or approved, the assembly in its entirety would not
be. The above verbiage would enforce the ability of the AHJ to inspect these
assemblies and would dissuade any attempt on the part of the assembler to
demand approval based on “unit” acceptance by non-NRTL entities.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The current language of 90.7 addresses the submitter’s
concerns. The AHJ can require listing or field evaluation as the basis for his/her
approval. Factory-installed internal wiring within listed equipment does not
need to be inspected. The wiring described in the submitter’s substantiation
would not be factory-installed internal wiring within listed equipment, and
would be subject to inspection based on the present requirements of the Code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12



could you imagine running into this guy in the field?
 

brantmacga

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ok, now that i've picked myself up off the floor after reading this one, i can share it with you.


Submitter: Gregory P. Johnston, Greg Johnston, Electrician
Recommendation: Add new text to read as follows:
No one can purchase electrical wiring material for residential or commercial
work unless they are, or are employed by, a licensed electrician. This is to
include, but not limited to wire, conduit electrical boxes, fittings, devices,
panels and load centers, circuit breakers and the like. Non-licensed people may
buy luminaires, lamps and cover plates only.
Substantiation: I just completed a course analysis of the changes in the 2008
code, which is about to be adopted locally. It prompted me to write this.
I have been in the electrical wiring trade since 1964 and completed an
apprenticeship and am now licensed in the City of Rochester, NY.
In the performance of most of my jobs, I am encountering more and more
electrical work that does not meet any code that has been in place during my
career. I see loose connections, improper grounding, short wires in boxes, overfill
of wires in boxes, incorrect connectors, missing covers, improperly
supported wiring means and so on. It is distressing.
Interfacing with poorly done electrical work makes my work harder. Much of
the poor electrical work is obviously done by homeowners, do-it-yourselfers,
or unqualified people in some other trade, who think that they are electricians.
If something like this could be in the NEC, it might be a small step in the
attempt to make our buildings and people safer from the hazards of improper
wiring.
Panel Meeting Action: Reject
Panel Statement: The Code governs the installation of electrical equipment,
not the commerce associated with electrical equipment. Regulations limiting
the sale of electrical equipment are outside the scope of the Code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 12
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12


we need to do a top 10 list.
 

roger

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just glancing through for a minute. . . this one caught my attention. .






could you imagine running into this guy in the field?

ok, now that i've picked myself up off the floor after reading this one, i can share it with you.







we need to do a top 10 list.

I would have thought you were joking if you didn't have back up to these comics. :D


Roger
 

George Stolz

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The ROP can now be downloaded from NFPA's site:
http://www.nfpa.org/AboutTheCodes/AboutTheCodes.asp?docnum=70&tab=nextedition

Looks like George's claim to fame will have to wait a while longer... :(

I can't deny being a little dismayed that they couldn't untie the knot I tied, that sensation is overpowered by the fact that the attempt to untie the knot was made. I intend to keep working on this, am encouraged by the amount of constructive criticism that Mr. Cline offered, and intend to take it apart piece by piece as instructed. :)
 

sgunsel

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NFPA publishes a schedule for all code cycles. The NEC is revised every three years, other NFPA documents may vary from 3 to 5 or more years depending on the level of activity. The schedules are available at nfpa.org .
 

Dennis Alwon

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I got one accepted (this go round) however it probably will not affect many of us.

Submitter: Dennis Alwon, Alwon Electric Inc.
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
210.52(D) Bathrooms. In dwelling units, at least one receptacle outlet shall be installed in bathrooms within 900 mm (3 ft) of the outside edge of each basin. The receptacle outlet shall be located on a wall or partition that is adjacent to the basin or basin countertop, located on the countertop, or installed on the side or face of the basin cabinet. In no case shall the receptacle be located not more than 300 mm (12 in.) below the countertop top of the basin. Receptacle outlet assemblies listed for the application shall be permitted to be installed in the countertop.
Informational Note: See 406.5(E) for requirements for installation of receptacles in countertops.
Substantiation: The current wording allows a receptacle to be placed near the floor level on a wall adjacent to the sink. If we are given a minimum height below the basin on a cabinet, then we should be consistent and expect the minimum height below the countertop to be carried thru in all situations.
Panel Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 11
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 11

I just notice that this proposal is in there twice right below the other. First one is accepted the other is accepted in principle. LOL
 
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Dennis Alwon

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I have a question about the voting. I noticed that when there are 12 affirmative votes the proposal is rejected...??? Why is that? Are they voting to reject rather than to accept?
 

Dennis Alwon

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I proposed a change to 312.5(C) and it had 11 affirmative and 1 negative and it was rejected. However a long paragraph followed saying it should have been approved in spite of this being one of the most controversial topics the cmp have dealt with.

This proposal should have been accepted. In spite of this being one of the most surprisingly controversial, passionately debated, and
exhaustively studied topics in the history of CMP 9, there is a problem with the wording that the proposal corrects........

Well gee fellows-- correct the wording. :lol:
 
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