hillbilly1
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- Owner/electrical contractor
In that city, the local codes prohibited nm to be used in a hotel.
Resolving dispute with AHJ
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In that city, the local codes prohibited nm to be used in a hotel.
It may not help but you could show them the illustration below and tell them that is pretty much how the rest of the world interprets it.
Roger
just be careful to pick your battles. You may have to play politics if you have to work with the AHJ on a regular basis. If yoi do win could he be a pain in the butt of the next job? You don't want to win the battle and then loose the war. What may you be loosing in over the long hall if he is over ruled?
Loosing small battles on nonsense will eventually get to you. If it is nonsense it is nonsense.
If one keeps giving in without any opposition then what????? They may ask you to install a 200Amp panel with 500MCM. just doesn't make sense.
Up to what point can the AHJ exercise 90.4?
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That would be a battle worth fighting.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
I agree there are times when "The inspector wants it" stuff has to end. If it is a code section that is arguable then I would give in but when it is clearly stated I will go to the head state guy and get an official ruling.
hillbilly1
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Sometimes that doesn't work either, I had a state inspector that swore up and down that the neutral terminations on the LOAD side of a 2000 amp 480 volt service rated transfer switch had to be bonded to the GEC. That would effectively nullify the ground fault protection of the service.
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For us in MA I think it is $175.00 to file an appeal to the state, in the meantime the job stays failed. This is usally unacceptable for the customer. That being the case this would be a battle I would be fine with ignoring.
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- Chapel Hill, NC
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- Retired Electrical Contractor
Sounds like MA does not encourage arguing with the AHJ. Do you get your money back and lost time if you win. :lol:
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I really do not know but I sure would not count on it. :lol:
When I said that it may be best to pick your battle so that you don't loose the war if you go to the next step with the battle in the long run will you win the war is the issue.
One thing that I have learned whether it comes to a supervisor of "boss", politician, inspector, AHJ, anybody that has the authority to rule over another there are those that let the power go to their heads. It's these types of people that are cause for concern. Some cover up their stupidity by exerting their authority. They are bull headed and will not listen and/or discuss view points that are contrary to their own. As the authority their knowledge is called into question which they can't handle which is and indication of an insecure individual.
But, regardless, pick your battles and look for what the long term relationship will end up to be. Will it be worth it?
One thing that I have learned whether it comes to a supervisor of "boss", politician, inspector, AHJ, anybody that has the authority to rule over another there are those that let the power go to their heads. It's these types of people that are cause for concern. Some cover up their stupidity by exerting their authority. They are bull headed and will not listen and/or discuss view points that are contrary to their own. As the authority their knowledge is called into question which they can't handle which is and indication of an insecure individual.
But, regardless, pick your battles and look for what the long term relationship will end up to be. Will it be worth it?
jwelectric
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- North Carolina
If you are addressing the inspector here the answer is not at all. 90.4 is in the introduction and is not enforceable
Edward, I agree with Mike and if you read 90.4 you will also see there is nothing stated in 90.4 that gives an inspector permission to make up their own rules, it simply gives them permission to accept an alternate method.
Roger
but 90.4 does give them the authority to interpret the rule.
At any case, it was vague to me if article 90 is enforceable. Now I know that it is not.
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RICK NAPIER
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Here in NJ the latitude afforded an inspector in 90.4 is removed and a formal application for a variation is required. Further more there was earlier a discussion as to whether the electrical inspector should inspect csst bonding, here the ICC codes that require it are put under the responsibility of the electrical inspector as solely his inspection. And as for a local inspector being intransigent we are state licensed and a contractor can go to them for aid in an issue with the local inspector.
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jwelectric
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It gives the authority having jurisdiction the responsibility for interpreting the rules not the inspector.
In most cases the authority having jurisdiction with the responsibility for interpretation is not one person but instead it is a governmental body. Here in good ole NC if it can?t be produced in writing then it can?t be enforced. In other words the code enforcement official can?t make his own interpretation but it must be done by the body of the government of that jurisdiction or the state.
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stickboy1375
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It may not help but you could show them the illustration below and tell them that is pretty much how the rest of the world interprets it.
Roger
How come metal water piping does not fall into this category?
jxofaltrds
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Cause it is in (A).
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